TimLee
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu May 28, 2015 7:16 am

dhanson865 wrote:...
Not sure if both threads should stay separate, one get locked, or both be merged...
Don't lock it.
Still lots of information to be added on 2011 capacity losses.
Have only seen one report on five capacity bar loss.
That got new battery under capacity warranty, along with warranty motor replacement.
When capacity warranty runs out, should start seeing info on six, seven, maybe even eight capacity bar losses.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu May 28, 2015 7:49 am

TimLee wrote:...Still lots of information to be added on 2011 capacity losses...That got new battery under capacity warranty, along with warranty motor replacement.
I am one who appreciates the reports and data entered here. The Arizona and Texas losses were an early alert, but the nearby Los Angeles posts have been particularly valuable when gauging our situation. Our Leaf's capacity just dropped below 44Ahrs yesterday, making a summer warranty battery replacement almost certain. We'll certainly be glad to get the capacity back and be able to run the A/C in the upcoming warmer weather.
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1BC 6/22/13@28310; 2BC 3/23/14@39750; 3BC 9/30/14@46,292; 4CB 6/12/15@55175, 170-185 G; 43.27AHr
PV: 7.2kW, ~13,500 kWh/yr since 3/06

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu May 28, 2015 7:57 pm

please forgive the crospost but I've done some heavy updates on the wiki and it'd be good for some to review the updates
dhanson865 wrote:uggh, just realized http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; had tons of 4 bar losers that didn't make the wiki. Spent an hour or so reding 50 pages of posts and editing the wiki. Still not done but have added or edited:

#24 June 21, 2014 Pipcecil AKA Nathan Drozd
#23 Feb 2015 JupiterLEAF
#22 Jan 6, 2015 leafer77
#21 December 2014 evblues
#20 August 2014 JPVLeaf

still need to do some backfill of 3 bar and 2 bar losses for some of those 4 bar losers above.

I still can't believe they shafted leafer77 like that, I was hoping he would get someone higher up at Nissan to overturn the lower/mid level decision to deny his claim outright.

At the least I would expect them to sell him a 2015 style pack at half cost (like $3000), even better a free 2015 style pack, and best they would buy his car back at lease residual style calcs (slightly above current used car values) and let him decide what to apply that money on (another used Leaf, a Kia Soul EV, a 2016 Leaf with the 30 kWh battery, a Tesla?)
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:54 pm

My turn:

Lost the first capacity bar today, 6-3-15, at 3 years, 5½ months.

Model Year: 2012 SV
Manufactured: October 2011
Purchased: December 2012
Mileage: 26,939 miles
Amp•hours: 55.73
Hx: 70.71

No DCFC port, so no QCs. Average mileage measured from the wall: 3.98 miles/kWh

I might well end up pretty close to Nissan's original capacity estimate of 80% at five years; perhaps a bit below that. No free replacement battery for me, of course.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:18 pm

So sorry dgp, that first one is always tough. I remember on my first Leaf, a 2011, I would cringe when I started the car and look at the capacity bars. Of course I did not think I would lose the first one at 6,771 miles.
Fully charged by photo voltaic system.
Nov 9 2014 got my 2015 lease, SL. My third Leaf. Tucson AZ. 5,500 miles, 5.2 long term m/kwh. Let us see if the 'lizard' battery does better than my 2011, which lost a capacity bar at 6,771 miles.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:57 pm

dhanson865 wrote:please forgive the crospost but I've done some heavy updates on the wiki and it'd be good for some to review the updates
dhanson865 wrote:uggh, just realized http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; had tons of 4 bar losers that didn't make the wiki. Spent an hour or so reding 50 pages of posts and editing the wiki. Still not done but have added or edited:

#24 June 21, 2014 Pipcecil AKA Nathan Drozd
#23 Feb 2015 JupiterLEAF
#22 Jan 6, 2015 leafer77
#21 December 2014 evblues
#20 August 2014 JPVLeaf

still need to do some backfill of 3 bar and 2 bar losses for some of those 4 bar losers above.

I still can't believe they shafted leafer77 like that, I was hoping he would get someone higher up at Nissan to overturn the lower/mid level decision to deny his claim outright.

At the least I would expect them to sell him a 2015 style pack at half cost (like $3000), even better a free 2015 style pack, and best they would buy his car back at lease residual style calcs (slightly above current used car values) and let him decide what to apply that money on (another used Leaf, a Kia Soul EV, a 2016 Leaf with the 30 kWh battery, a Tesla?)
fwiw I added a couple more the other day

#26 May 29, 2015 memoryisram
#25 May 1st, 2015 PatricioEV

culled from http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=420" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Blue 2012 Leaf 195/65/15 tires, 15" Rims
Silver 2012 Leaf 16" stock wheels
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index. ... acity_Loss
(efficiency 3.x KW vs 6.x KW)
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:46 am

dgpcolorado wrote:My turn:
Lost the first capacity bar today, 6-3-15, at 3 years, 5½ months.
Huh. We were tracking pretty close until the last few months, I believe (just going off your sig). LeafDD has shown my aHr as low as 56.4 this Spring, but as of now it's back up to 57.1. I may not lose a bar until next year now.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:38 am

ampitupco wrote:Huh. We were tracking pretty close until the last few months, I believe (just going off your sig). LeafDD has shown my aHr as low as 56.4 this Spring, but as of now it's back up to 57.1. I may not lose a bar until next year now.
I am surprised that I am so much ahead of you in capacity loss since you live in a much hotter area. My hypothesis is that since all my driving involves steep climbs and descents, and the associated battery heating that entails, I get more degradation than one gets driving on relatively level terrain.

My Ahr had dropped several tenths in the last week. But the tipping point may have been a 108 mile trip to Black Canyon NP the previous day: More than 5000 feet of cumulative elevation change plus 2½ hours of charging enroute, in 82ºF weather. When I noticed that my bar had dropped yesterday the car had charged for several hours in the sun and the battery temp was 27ºC. That's pretty warm for spring.

Have you had the P3227 update done?
DesertDenizen wrote:So sorry dgp, that first one is always tough. I remember on my first Leaf, a 2011, I would cringe when I started the car and look at the capacity bars. Of course I did not think I would lose the first one at 6,771 miles.
Yeah, I'd have been dismayed to lose a CB at that mileage. But I've had LeafDD for a long time now and I knew a year ago that I would drop the bar this spring or summer, so it was more a matter of interest than concern.

We got our first L2 public charge stations in this area a year ago so my declining range hasn't been a problem. I just plug-in while shopping or watching a movie and have enough charge to get home when I am done, even in winter. Prior to the public charge stations I was becoming concerned about being able to do my 60-70 mile grocery shopping trips in winter. Now it isn't an issue. So, still quite happy with my LEAF.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:03 am

P3227 update?

I bought a used Leaf, would I be able to call and get that info or do I have to show up at a dealer to let them check the car?

I've tried looking on the Nissan website but there doesn't seem to be a way to get info on the car other than what carwings does.

I'm only down 1 bar so I'm not terribly worried about capacity but it'd be good to know what I have.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:25 am

dgpcolorado wrote:I am surprised that I am so much ahead of you in capacity loss since you live in a much hotter area. My hypothesis is that since all my driving involves steep climbs and descents, and the associated battery heating that entails, I get more degradation than one gets driving on relatively level terrain.

Have you had the P3227 update done?
Yes, I had it done (Sept 2013?). I blame it for most of my regen loss.
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