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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:05 pm

Lothsahn wrote:
My understanding is that the 2015+ Leafs support bidirectional Chademo, although I've seen posts of 2013+ and 2014+. If that's correct, I think a compatible V2G charger shouldn't require any special hardware or converters in the EV itself.

Details from Nuuve are quite light as they're still in startup mode. I don't know if they're only offering time shifting or if they also are providing disconnect/transfer for backups.

Having recently visited Nuvve's DC bidirectional installation, I know that they have used Hitachi CHAdeMO units with various older model Leafs. It will be interesting what they offer to the public. The AC units appear have the functionality of a charge controller - however going bidirectional certainly presents some interesting questions!
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:36 am

Hope this isn't a repeat. https://www.facebook.com/groups/4377412 ... 9532261331 is another 7 bar loser (5 bar left). Initials are RK. He has a '12 w/61K miles. Unknown location.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:42 am

While trying to look thru a dealer's inventory (related to another post in another thread), I stumbled across this "gem".

It's an '11 Leaf at Honda of Stevens Creek in San Jose. From the looks of it, it only has 4 capacity bars left (8 bar loser) at 74K miles.

https://www.autobahnmotors.com/used/Nis ... 66f91e.htm

I archived two of the pics from the ad showing only 4 bars.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190323083 ... size&w=650
https://web.archive.org/web/20190323083 ... size&w=650

Hilarious that they want $5,791 for it! :lol: Hope some poor sucker doesn't buy it for more than $1K or $2K.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:53 am

The GOM says 19 miles - on a full charge. I suppose if someone wants to have the most luxurious golf cart on the course - for no more than two full rounds, anyway...
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:57 am

^^^
Yep, I noticed. If that Hon-duh dealer is leaving it at full charge like that... oh boy.

I noticed there's a free Carfax link that works: https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p ... P6BT005470. Those aren't the coolest parts of the Bay Area but not the hottest. I guess the previous drivers just took lousy care of the battery. I wonder if they had any clue about the factors that speed up capacity loss or cared...

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:26 am

They were probably caring by the time they got rid of the car. ;)
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:30 am

cwerdna wrote:Yep, I noticed. If that Hon-duh dealer is leaving it at full charge like that... oh boy.
What choice do they have?

Suppose someone wanted to take it for a test drive: "You can take the car out but don't stray more than about five or six miles from the dealership. Otherwise, you might get stranded on the highway!"
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:08 pm

Someone at https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanL ... 638623878/ bought from Carmax what turned out to be a 5 capacity bar car. (Ignore what they said about 3, it's 5.) As so many people chimed in, it's got to go back.

It is unfortunate that a couple folks there also passed along info that had to be corrected about the length of capacity warranty on 24 kWh batteries.

I really wonder what's going to happen to these cars w/crap chemistries. Will they just end up in the hands of clueless (and then pissed off people)? Will they got disposed of or parted out? Will someone (e.g. Nissan) swoop in and buy them for cheap then replace their batteries?

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:52 pm

The 2011 Leaf lost the 4th bar at around 86000 miles. Still does the job for in town drving. Would be even more helpful if the QC was not so espesive. Is cheaper and more convenient to drive the Honda Clarity than to quick charge the Leaf.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:53 pm

I really wonder what's going to happen to these cars w/crap chemistries. Will they just end up in the hands of clueless (and then pissed off people)? Will they got disposed of or parted out? Will someone (e.g. Nissan) swoop in and buy them for cheap then replace their batteries?
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