DougWantsALeaf
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Location: Chicago North Side

Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:09 pm

Claims up to 25 miles with no AC and gentle speeds. Dash came up 18 miles. Many people can meet most of their needs in 18 miles. Add a L2 somewhere in the middle, no sweat.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

goldbrick
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Leaf Number: 311806
Location: Boulder, CO

Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:19 pm

That car is truly into golf cart territory. My commute is only 9 miles and I have free L2 at work but I think having that kind of range would drive me nuts.

drfrisker
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Leaf Number: 004062

Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:38 pm

Bought my 2011 SV w/QC in March this year, 33k miles and 7 bars(leafspy claims 59% SOH)
My commute is 1 mile. I would bike it but rather not be sweaty in Virginia swamp weather.

I don't think it was ever quick charged. I'm on the lookout for a 40 or 62 battery but they don't pop up often, and I'm not in the best position to outright buy one and swap it in myself currently.

goldbrick
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:03 pm

There are shops that will do the swap and supply the battery. Or you can check into Fenix, which is some sort of battery leasing/replacement startup. These options are not without risk so do your homework first. There is lots of information on both options in the forums here.

cwerdna
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:05 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:03 pm
Or you can check into Fenix, which is some sort of battery leasing/replacement startup. These options are not without risk so do your homework first. There is lots of information on both options in the forums here.
I would not bother until we've actually heard of actual successful installs of used Leaf batteries by Fenix and their install partners. So far, they've been vaporware. In theory, if they're on time, we should start to hear something next week: viewtopic.php?p=586043#p586043.

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drfrisker
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:07 pm

cwerdna wrote:
goldbrick wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:03 pm
Or you can check into Fenix, which is some sort of battery leasing/replacement startup. These options are not without risk so do your homework first. There is lots of information on both options in the forums here.
<span>I would not bother until we've actually heard of actual successful installs of used <a href="http://www.mynissanleaf.com" class="interlinkr">LEAF<span class="tip">Visit the LEAF Forum</span></a> batteries by Fenix and their install partners. So far, they've been vaporware. In theory, if they're on time, we should start to hear something next week: viewtopic.php?p=586043#p586043.</span>
I don't know that I would even bother with Fenix even if they did come around. 1 Not in my area and 2 nothing except 24kwh packs? Can I buy just a pack?

dhanson865
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Location: Tennessee

Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:38 am

6 bar loser now.

* MFG 10/2011 (2012 model year)
* 106 months (8 years + 10 months) have gone by since manufacture.
* 46.25% SOH lost
* averages 5.29% per year
* heat is the major factor, years with higher temps in summer had more loss (car is in garage at home but parked outdoors at work)
* mileage wasn't a factor, years in which I drove less or more didn't change the average
* efficiency on dash right now is 4.8 miles per kWh (15" aero wheels help a bit)
* left home today with 42 miles on the GOM after an 80% charge.
* commute to work is about 15 miles one way (daily driving about 35-40 miles a day)
* charge on 240v at home to 80%, 120v at work (80% if hot, 100% if cool or cold).
* 3 quick charges in the life of the vehicle all done years ago on a single day when I bought the car used and had to drive it 200+ miles one way to get it home.

all cells are still in balance, no sign of any sort of pack failure to come, I fully expect the car to still be drivable no matter how low the range gets. Though I do expect to have to switch to charging to 100% all the time in the near future and even further down the road will have to replace the pack or car.
Blue 2012 Leaf 195/65/15 tires, 15" Rims
Silver 2012 Leaf 16" stock wheels
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index. ... acity_Loss
(efficiency 3.x KW vs 6.x KW)
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smkettner
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Location: Orange County, CA

Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:24 pm

I am not convinced 80% every day really helped the battery. I would have already switched to 100% already.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV
RAV4 traded in for I-Pace Dec 2018

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:45 pm

On our 2013 after year one we charged to 100% every day. We lost our first bar in year 6.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

dhanson865
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:19 pm

smkettner wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:24 pm
I am not convinced 80% every day really helped the battery. I would have already switched to 100% already.
I get to charge free at work and pay for my electricity at home. So that is a factor when I have range to spare.

Also, at 100% charge I have 0 and I mean NO regen during the majority of my drive. I find the driving profile between 0 regen, light regen, and full regen to differ enough that I try to make the charging consistent. I live in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains (Appalachian Mountains). So I'm doing a lot of dowhill coasting and braking.

I won't have a choice soon and I have mixed feelings about not having regen for the majority of my driving at some point in the future.

Think about this. I can charge at both ends of my work commute but if I can't charge at one end or the other (power outage, damaged outlet, parking spots blocked).... well in those rare cases I need enough charge for the round trip. So I charge to full but don't get low enough to get my regen back unless there is a problem charging at one end (maybe 4 days out of a year).
Blue 2012 Leaf 195/65/15 tires, 15" Rims
Silver 2012 Leaf 16" stock wheels
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index. ... acity_Loss
(efficiency 3.x KW vs 6.x KW)
please join Truedelta.com and input your repairs.

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