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Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:19 pm
by mwalsh
shrink wrote:But for everybody, I do hope mwalsh and GeekEV are correct and that they battery loss does level out and most of us have the "expected" 80% after 5 years.
Definitely. Me too! :)

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:26 pm
by GeekEV
shrink wrote:I don't disagree with you guys. My thread was not meant to incite paranoia or panic, but to describe my reasoning and my decision.
Yours was just the thread I finally decided to weigh in on. Compared to the others on the subject, yours is absolutely more calm and rational - which is in part why I decided to post my comments here. Less likely to be flamed for it. :lol:

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:29 pm
by OrientExpress
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Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:54 pm
by shrink
OrientExpress wrote:The offer that you took of $25K is on the low side of the current wholesale value of a LEAF SL at dealer auction, but still LEAF values have been holding well.
Well, Nissan was offering $21K and I think someone else in Phoenix was offered $18K. I'm fine with $25K, especially with one capacity bar gone.

I hope whoever bought it can make a profit and that my 1st LEAF finds it way to a happier and more appropriate home somewhere in California :D

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:03 pm
by Volusiano
OrientExpress wrote:Personally my take on the current hysteria over the batteries is that I wonder what will happen when the weather cools off this fall and the missing bars come back?
I thought that it was safe to assume that once you lose battery capacity, they'll never miraculously come back again, no? Or am I missing something? It's not like it's a cell balancing issue or anything like that, right?

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:14 pm
by Volusiano
shrink wrote:I hope whoever bought it can make a profit and that my 1st LEAF finds it way to a happier and more appropriate home somewhere in California :D
Since the place that bought your old Leaf was not a Nissan dealership, I wonder if they knew about the implication of the 1 bar capacity loss or not? And even if they did, I wonder if they cared anyway because maybe they were hoping it'll slip by new potential buyers who are not up-to-speed on the issues with the Leaf and don't notice or know any better.

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:18 pm
by Stoaty
OrientExpress wrote:Personally my take on the current hysteria over the batteries is that I wonder what will happen when the weather cools off this fall and the missing bars come back?
It has been pointed out already on the forum that the capacity bars are not affected by temperature. Even Nissan is not claiming that a lost capacity bar will return.
Even those that are swept up in the battery FUD that is concentrated in some posts on this board have to admit that the LEAF has been performing exactly as Nissan promised, lost bar and all.
I don't see how concern over losing 15% of battery capacity in one year is "FUD". If Nissan had promised that owners in very hot areas would lose their first capacity bar this early, then yes, they would have kept their promise. Anyone whose driving requires most of the battery capacity and has lost a capacity bar already is not be experiencing "exactly as Nissan promised", since they used a bunch of vague statements when they likely knew this would happen in the very hot areas.

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:25 pm
by shrink
Volusiano wrote:
Since the place that bought your old Leaf was not a Nissan dealership, I wonder if they knew about the implication of the 1 bar capacity loss or not? And even if they did, I wonder if they cared anyway because maybe they were hoping it'll slip by new potential buyers who are not up-to-speed on the issues with the Leaf and don't notice or know any better.[/quote]

Good point. On a less than full charge, it's really hard to notice. Honestly, I don't think they had a clue.

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:51 pm
by DANandNAN
shrink wrote: I do hope Nissan takes care of affected owners.
I hope they take care of whoever buys it too. The problem went away for you (congrats BTW), but not for Nissan's PR department. The Leaf needs a capacity warranty and TMS.

Re: Turning Over a New LEAF: My Response to a Lost Capacity

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:54 pm
by DANandNAN
OrientExpress wrote:Personally my take on the current hysteria over the batteries is that I wonder what will happen when the weather cools off this fall and the missing bars come back?
Do you have reports of that happening last year? Some folks have lost 2 bars, surely they would have lost 1 bar last year and then had it reappear as the weather cooled and the battery regenerated. Are there any posts about that?