saintyohann
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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:18 pm

NissanTech375 wrote:Do you have a mobile phone charging device installed in a power port of this car?
Do you have a building security pass chip device on your key ring or on your person?
Do you have music stored on a flash drive/chip attached to the car?

If you have any of these devices, keep them away from your car and see what happens.

I've seen this issue.
No.
I have a Blink and a ChargePoint RFID card in the center console.
No.

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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:05 am

saintyohann wrote:
NissanTech375 wrote:Do you have a mobile phone charging device installed in a power port of this car?
Do you have a building security pass chip device on your key ring or on your person?
Do you have music stored on a flash drive/chip attached to the car?

If you have any of these devices, keep them away from your car and see what happens.

I've seen this issue.
No.
I have a Blink and a ChargePoint RFID card in the center console.
No.
It would be sadly amusing if the RFiD cards needed to charge the Leaf, were causing the problems (are they close enough to the "building security pass chip device" mentioned by the poster above?)
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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:50 am

Not that amusing...

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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:54 am

my cellphone car charger is plugged in 24/7. i know, not good but that is the way it is. i also have 7 RFID Charge cards in my sun glass holder, 2 other RFID badges (work thing) as well.
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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:01 am

saintyohann wrote:The last question was "how often does it happen." When I told him it was about every three weeks, he straight out said, "well we're not going to be able to recreate that." Basically I was told they don't see anything wrong so there's nothing to repair and they weren't going look any longer.
I work in Telecom and I sometimes get tickets for intermittant troubles. Intermittant ones are the worst. It might take up to 15 troubleshooting steps to fix a trouble. If it is down hard, then I can do all 15 in about 30 minutes. If I have to wait three weeks between steps, It could be a year before the trouble is fixed.

Sometimes I'll do the basic and intermediate testing, then try to convince management that it's better to build an entirely new circuit than to fix the one that's there.

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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:46 am

NissanTech375 wrote:Do you have a mobile phone charging device installed in a power port of this car?
Do you have a building security pass chip device on your key ring or on your person?
Do you have music stored on a flash drive/chip attached to the car?

If you have any of these devices, keep them away from your car and see what happens.

I've seen this issue.
DaveinOlyWA wrote:my cellphone car charger is plugged in 24/7. i know, not good but that is the way it is. i also have 7 RFID Charge cards in my sun glass holder, 2 other RFID badges (work thing) as well.
I have at least 5 RFID devices in my car as well and I've plugged in many things into the power and usb ports without any issues. But this note from NissanTech375 does make for an interesting hint. The likelihood of an RFID interfering with the fob power control system is remote, however, I have myself noticed that when my fob is in the same pocket as my phone the car will not respond to it. Whether this is because the phone is blocking the signals or somehow interfering with them I do not know but this shows that things can go wrong. (The phone itself is not an RFID device.) Next time this happens I suppose you could move all the RFIDs to the cargo area to see if the car will respond to you.

But... given all the OTHER issues you are encountering from your original post this sounds a lot more like what Ingineer thinks--faulty hardware generating random issues. I think the firmware update was likely coincidence. We always try to figure out "what changed recently" but in reality sometimes stuff just randomly fails. This occurs quite often during service visits, not because techs are inept (well, usually not), but just because they are in there poking and prodding things and sometimes that is all it takes to break something that was already close to failure.

So I would demand they replace the whole on-board computer or else go for the lemon law. I mean no one else is seeing any of this stuff and its a wide array of issues. I find it ridiculous that Nissan isn't doing more to fix this. My opinion of them is going downhill as well.
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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:55 pm

RFID cards do not work at all like the Keyless Fob does on the Leaf. The Nissan system is active which means the fob is powered versus passive for the type of RFID that's used in cards. There is almost no possible way that a passive RFID card could cause the Leaf to malfunction. Even if somehow the RFID cards were interfering with the Keyless system, the only symptom would be an unrecognized fob. The Leaf does not continuously scan for the fob once the car is being driven, only once the door is open, and even if you threw the fob out the window, the car will still operate normally until such time as you power it down.

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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:27 pm

Well I got my car back today (Nissan picked it up Thursday after requesting one more chance to fix it).

Since they had the code about the interconnect, they re-seated the high voltage cabling, but stated none of it seemed loose and test drove it. (total time spent on it just over 3 hours)

The funniest thing is, my complaint about the car loosing bars at power off, was answered on the paperwork with (if you park on an incline and then a flat area (or vice versa) the battery readout may gain or lose bars because of a G sensor. Somebody tell me they're kidding, please.

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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:40 pm

saintyohann wrote:The funniest thing is, my complaint about the car loosing bars at power off, was answered on the paperwork with (if you park on an incline and then a flat area (or vice versa) the battery readout may gain or lose bars because of a G sensor. Somebody tell me they're kidding, please.
Ah, I see... where you park grossly affects the accuracy of the fuel bars. :o Even if this were true, why would they admit to this problem? I guess the inaccuracy of the capacity bars suggests anything is possible, but it appears that you are the only one to report this particular issue. Do you park your Leaf on the moon, where gravity is quite different than here on earth??? :lol:
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Re: Asking for Lemon Law protection on Monday

Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:44 pm

saintyohann wrote:Well I got my car back today (Nissan picked it up Thursday after requesting one more chance to fix it).

Since they had the code about the interconnect, they re-seated the high voltage cabling, but stated none of it seemed loose and test drove it. (total time spent on it just over 3 hours)

The funniest thing is, my complaint about the car loosing bars at power off, was answered on the paperwork with (if you park on an incline and then a flat area (or vice versa) the battery readout may gain or lose bars because of a G sensor. Somebody tell me they're kidding, please.

This is known as the "gas tank effect", to simulate an old school gas tank. Just park on flat ground and your capacity will go up. I parked sideways on a steep hill and I got 294 GIDs.

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