Volusiano wrote:Can you give an outline of what will be done in a 2 hour test?
Also, I know that Nissan requires and therefore pays for the annual battery test. But if you already had the annual battery test and now simply wants another battery test for your own purpose, will Nissan dealerships be willing to perform it for free?
Basically, everything I've posted many times on this forum. I'll repost here
If you can't get a free test, and don't want to pay, then just don't do it.
Below is what you proposed for the test in the other thread. I see a number of issues with it.
First of all, where are we going to find 3 new LEAFs off the dealer lot to use as control cars? Even if we can find them, one may be a newly arrived car, another might have been sitting around the dealership's parking lot for the last 3-6 months in the heat at 100% charge. So they won't have uniform batteries to begin with. The only relatively new LEAF I can see using in Phoenix is Shrink's, but it's not brand new off the lot though.
Secondly, you want to drive the suspect car 5 times for the whole length of 70 miles each time. That's not going to be done in 2 hours. That's going to require the testing to be spread out in 5 days because the suspect car has to start out in the exact same condition each time, meaning early in the morning when the battery temperature has settled down.
Thirdly, in order for the test to have some kind of legitimacy, there has to be an independent 3rd party performing the test drive and not the owners or somebody biased to either side. This independent third party must have some kind of credibility in the first place (the news media maybe?), and everything has to be thoroughly documented by this independent party, and not by us.
Fourthly, it'll take time to organize and find an independent third party, propose a driving test that the third agrees to that it's fair, set up process and procedure, etc, including documentation, participants, maybe even invite media coverage. It's not going to happen by 9/15.
So while I'm game with getting together and do the test, I think we must organize it more thoroughly instead of rushing into it in 1 week time and at the end not be able to lend credibility to our data because there's lack of an independent 3rd party participation.
Also, I'm a little confused by the proposed test below. For each car to yield an end results in number of miles, that means that the end reference has to be LBW or VLBW or something like that, right? Does that mean that it has to be a long enough route, and all test cars will not complete the whole route because some cars will get to LBW before others. Which is fine, but what are cars going to do when they don't arrive at the destination before they reach LBW and need a charge?
That's why I asked for an outline of the proposed test drive here so we can review it exactly.
TonyWilliams wrote:Now, drive the "control" cars (new LEAFs off the dealer lot) under these specific guidelines from that post ^^^ up there.
New Car A - 84.5 miles
New Car B - 86.2 miles
New Car C - 85.4 miles
Then drive the suspect car, on EXACTLY the same course in EXACTLY the same conditions... do it 5 times:
Drive 1 - 72.3 miles
Drive 2 - 71.3 miles
Drive 3 - 69.8 miles
Drive 4 - 70.0 miles
Drive 5 - 71.2 miles