DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:41 pm

That’s awesome.

They should let dealers advertise the upgrade as a post sale upgrade. While I don’t know that too many would bite on a 10K price, it would offer dealers some vision into how they too could make money on the EVs.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:30 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:26 pm
Picked up our 2016 Leaf SL with new 40 kWh battery installed. SOH = 99.87%. and a range of 142 miles with 99% charge and was good for 110 actual miles. Cell voltage and QID seems valid. Most of the other Leaf Spy Pro data is garbage.
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Curious... would be interesting to hear some values likes these:
- on a full charge: gids, total pack voltage, min and max cell voltages
- at LBW and VLBW: ditto
- at turtle (not sure if you want to do this): ditto
- AHr

Would be interesting to compare to these to a '18 or '19 40 kWh Leaf to see if you get to use the same band of the battery. Or, if Leaf Spy stats are so out of whack, we can't tell.

Also, if you have or use an EVSE, would be interesting to know how many kWh the car pulls from empty (or something pretty low like VLBW or LBW) to full.

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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:43 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:26 pm
Picked up our 2016 Leaf SL with new 40 kWh battery installed. SOH = 99.87%. and a range of 142 miles with 99% charge and was good for 110 actual miles. Cell voltage and QID seems valid. Most of the other Leaf Spy Pro data is garbage.
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How is the LSP data garbage? How did you determine range was 110 miles which would be right for a 30 kwh pack, not 40?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:43 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:43 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:26 pm
Picked up our 2016 Leaf SL with new 40 kWh battery installed. SOH = 99.87%. and a range of 142 miles with 99% charge and was good for 110 actual miles. Cell voltage and QID seems valid. Most of the other Leaf Spy Pro data is garbage.
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How is the LSP data garbage? How did you determine range was 110 miles which would be right for a 30 kwh pack, not 40?
Low Battery Warning was a clue that it wasn't going to go the GOM range of 141 miles.

LSP was set for 30 kWh battery when I took it in for a new battery. That setting now is for a 60 kWh battery by default without any changes on my phone and so far it doesn't save the 40 setting .

I ran both wipers, blower, heat and head lights so that was a hit on the range.

There are a lot of unknowns about LSP that I need to turn into knowns. Yesterday was not easy on my brain and body. Today is a new day.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:52 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:43 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:43 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:26 pm
Picked up our 2016 Leaf SL with new 40 kWh battery installed. SOH = 99.87%. and a range of 142 miles with 99% charge and was good for 110 actual miles. Cell voltage and QID seems valid. Most of the other Leaf Spy Pro data is garbage.
.
How is the LSP data garbage? How did you determine range was 110 miles which would be right for a 30 kwh pack, not 40?
Low Battery Warning was a clue that it wasn't going to go the GOM range of 141 miles.

LSP was set for 30 kWh battery when I took it in for a new battery. That setting now is for a 60 kWh battery by default without any changes on my phone and so far it doesn't save the 40 setting .

I ran both wipers, blower, heat and head lights so that was a hit on the range.

There are a lot of unknowns about LSP that I need to turn into knowns. Yesterday was not easy on my brain and body. Today is a new day.
You mean set for 62kwh? (there is no 60 kwh setting )

It should simply autodetect the pack but again, it does not autodetect , it simply parrots what the BMS tells it. I am guessing when the BMS finally figures out what is going on, then LS will read correctly. As for your 110 mile range comment? I am betting you are wrong.

LS has a setting which you can set for estimated range to nearly any SOC. I would set it to 1% then adjust miles/kwh to whatever you are getting and see what it says then.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:20 am

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:30 am
Curious... would be interesting to hear some values likes these:
- on a full charge: gids, total pack voltage, min and max cell voltages
- at LBW and VLBW: ditto
- at turtle (not sure if you want to do this): ditto
- AHr
Yes, that's key! Most importantly is the value of Ahrs, i.e. it should be over 100 Ahrs at 100% SOC.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

CaliLeaf
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm

With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
2016 Leaf. 30 kw battery replaced at 70k at 60% SOH. Currently 40 kW-hr new battery.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:59 pm

CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Yeah, the BMS would have been reset with the change. It will probably take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks before it has figured out what happened. Remember; some people who had lost bars and a BMS reset took weeks or even months before the BMS was "back to normal"
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:14 pm

CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Make sure you're reading the correct parameter when using LeafSpy;

1. Ahrs is a measure of battery capacity, and should only decrease (not charging) as a function of time.
2. Amps is a measure of load current on the battery. It can be anywhere from 10-20 amps (stopped with AC on)
to over 200 amps (vehicle accelerating).
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

GaleHawkins
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:40 pm

CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Here are some some numbers from our new 40 kWh in our 2016 SL after its second full charge.

It shows 8 DC charges and 840 L1/L2 charges which I thought would have been cleared. The complete battery pack was changed out but not the vehicle control module.

Dash shows 100% charge. LSP reads 97% now but 105% when I picked it up yesterday. SOH=99.76
38.1 kWh and 362.3 ,Ah
-2,159 Wh
491 GIDs (65.5%) perhaps because LSP defaults to 60 as the battery size.
Hx=280.00%
400.5 Volt battery pack

I still do not know why LSP only shows options for 24, 30, 40 and 60 and saves as a 60 and there is no 62 kWh battery option.

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