DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:22 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:40 pm
CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Here are some some numbers from our new 40 kWh in our 2016 SL after its second full charge.

It shows 8 DC charges and 840 L1/L2 charges which I thought would have been cleared. The complete battery pack was changed out but not the vehicle control module.

Dash shows 100% charge. LSP reads 97% now but 105% when I picked it up yesterday. SOH=99.76
38.1 kWh and 362.3 ,Ah
-2,159 Wh
491 GIDs (65.5%) perhaps because LSP defaults to 60 as the battery size.
Hx=280.00%
400.5 Volt battery pack

I still do not know why LSP only shows options for 24, 30, 40 and 60 and saves as a 60 and there is no 62 kWh battery option.
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knightmb
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:19 pm

I wonder if this will strand the earlier 2011-2015 model owners to having to do a manual upgrade to the 40 kWH Nissan battery? I will have to call to find out myself and put any info I get here as well. :D
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:59 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:40 pm
CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Here are some some numbers from our new 40 kWh in our 2016 SL after its second full charge.

It shows 8 DC charges and 840 L1/L2 charges which I thought would have been cleared. The complete battery pack was changed out but not the vehicle control module.

Dash shows 100% charge. LSP reads 97% now but 105% when I picked it up yesterday. SOH=99.76
38.1 kWh and 362.3 ,Ah
-2,159 Wh
491 GIDs (65.5%) perhaps because LSP defaults to 60 as the battery size.
Hx=280.00%
400.5 Volt battery pack

I still do not know why LSP only shows options for 24, 30, 40 and 60 and saves as a 60 and there is no 62 kWh battery option.
Low Battery Warning and Very Low Battery warning readings this morning.

872% SOC 13.98%
3.7 kWh 1.4
9996 Ah 69.38
48 Gids 18
323.2 Volt 333.8 VLB reading after 10 minutes of car being off so recovery had started. I started the charger after noting the VLB data.

Range was 91.5 miles on a full charge. Morning temps were 14F and 18F and I had the car nice a warm before leaving the house in the mornings. miles per kWh was as low at 2.9 miles. The starting GOM reading was 134 miles.

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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:13 am

please...please...PLEASE: Put your vehicle model/year in your signature. Posts are much more meaningful when we know which car you're referencing.
...Please?????
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:01 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:59 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:40 pm
CaliLeaf wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:54 pm
With the 40 kW-hr battery in my 2016 Leaf, Leafspy reads erratically for the amp hours. On the 5 minute drive home it bounced around between 200 and 1500.

kW-hr remaning seems to read correctly. SOC is always crazy.
Here are some some numbers from our new 40 kWh in our 2016 SL after its second full charge.

It shows 8 DC charges and 840 L1/L2 charges which I thought would have been cleared. The complete battery pack was changed out but not the vehicle control module.

Dash shows 100% charge. LSP reads 97% now but 105% when I picked it up yesterday. SOH=99.76
38.1 kWh and 362.3 ,Ah
-2,159 Wh
491 GIDs (65.5%) perhaps because LSP defaults to 60 as the battery size.
Hx=280.00%
400.5 Volt battery pack

I still do not know why LSP only shows options for 24, 30, 40 and 60 and saves as a 60 and there is no 62 kWh battery option.
Low Battery Warning and Very Low Battery warning readings this morning.

872% SOC 13.98%
3.7 kWh 1.4
9996 Ah 69.38
48 Gids 18
323.2 Volt 333.8 VLB reading after 10 minutes of car being off so recovery had started. I started the charger after noting the VLB data.

Range was 91.5 miles on a full charge. Morning temps were 14F and 18F and I had the car nice a warm before leaving the house in the mornings. miles per kWh was as low at 2.9 miles. The starting GOM reading was 134 miles.
After 7 hours the 0%-100% charge was complete and charging cable computer stated it took 37.3 kWh to bring it back up to 100% again but that does seem possible because that would be 100% efficiency. The computer in the charging cable may have used some factor like 90% efficiency perhaps.

Below is the battery info taken after being charged to 100% with Leaf Spy Pro.

98.3% SOC with dash reporting 100%
38.7 kWh in battery now
650.6 Ah
499 Gids
402 volts
4.2v average per cell
99.75 SOH reading decreased by .02
The numbers are starting to stabilize as was predicted of another. I never plan to get this short on range again but was OK with doing it one time for the base line data.

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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:48 am

So, am I right in that you were at 48 gids for LBW and 18 gids for VLBW?

499 gids on full charges sounds about right for a 40 kWh pack (example comparison at viewtopic.php?p=534668#p534668).
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:01 pm
After 7 hours the 0%-100% charge was complete and charging cable computer stated it took 37.3 kWh to bring it back up to 100% again but that does seem possible because that would be 100% efficiency. The computer in the charging cable may have used some factor like 90% efficiency perhaps.
By "charging computer cable", are you talking about your level 2 EVSE? if so, it's (likely) only going to be able to tell you the amount of energy it dispensed.

It should not go and reduce it by some factor for charging overhead as it has no idea what the overhead is for a connected vehicle. It's most definitely not the same for all EVs/PHEVs.

Thanks for the numbers, so far! (I am actually not interested in the "kWh" readings from Leaf Spy. See viewtopic.php?p=481577#p481577 and viewtopic.php?f=44&t=14285&hilit=gid+en ... 80#p521838. The gid values and voltages for LBW and VLBW and possibly even lower are more interesting/useful.

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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:28 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:01 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:59 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:40 pm


Here are some some numbers from our new 40 kWh in our 2016 SL after its second full charge.

It shows 8 DC charges and 840 L1/L2 charges which I thought would have been cleared. The complete battery pack was changed out but not the vehicle control module.

Dash shows 100% charge. LSP reads 97% now but 105% when I picked it up yesterday. SOH=99.76
38.1 kWh and 362.3 ,Ah
-2,159 Wh
491 GIDs (65.5%) perhaps because LSP defaults to 60 as the battery size.
Hx=280.00%
400.5 Volt battery pack

I still do not know why LSP only shows options for 24, 30, 40 and 60 and saves as a 60 and there is no 62 kWh battery option.
Low Battery Warning and Very Low Battery warning readings this morning.

872% SOC 13.98%
3.7 kWh 1.4
9996 Ah 69.38
48 Gids 18
323.2 Volt 333.8 VLB reading after 10 minutes of car being off so recovery had started. I started the charger after noting the VLB data.

Range was 91.5 miles on a full charge. Morning temps were 14F and 18F and I had the car nice a warm before leaving the house in the mornings. miles per kWh was as low at 2.9 miles. The starting GOM reading was 134 miles.
After 7 hours the 0%-100% charge was complete and charging cable computer stated it took 37.3 kWh to bring it back up to 100% again but that does seem possible because that would be 100% efficiency. The computer in the charging cable may have used some factor like 90% efficiency perhaps.

Below is the battery info taken after being charged to 100% with Leaf Spy Pro.

98.3% SOC with dash reporting 100%
38.7 kWh in battery now
650.6 Ah
499 Gids
402 volts
4.2v average per cell
99.75 SOH reading decreased by .02
The numbers are starting to stabilize as was predicted of another. I never plan to get this short on range again but was OK with doing it one time for the base line data.
Today from a 100% charge I put 131.1 miles the 40 kWh battery with GOM showing 39 miles of range left with dash showing SOC = 20%. The estimated and actual driven miles of 170 miles is doable I found by limiting top speed to 45 MPH. Heat was used on the first 15 miles of today's driving. Roads with hills but drove round trip on same roads so hills averaged out going and coming.

This wraps max/min 91.5/170 miles of range per a full charge (and base line data on our new 40 kWh battery received 12 Feb 2020 that was installed in our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL after the OEM 30 kWh battery lost 4 of 12 State Of Health bars as of Nov 2019. Miles per kWh = 4.9 for this full battery usage today.

30.8% SOC with dash reporting 20%
8.4 kWh in battery now
381.5 Ah
109 Gids
348.5 volts
3.56 volt average per cell
99.74 SOH reading decreased by about 0 .01% per day so far.

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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:36 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:48 am
So, am I right in that you were at 48 gids for LBW and 18 gids for VLBW?

499 gids on full charges sounds about right for a 40 kWh pack (example comparison at viewtopic.php?p=534668#p534668).
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:01 pm
After 7 hours the 0%-100% charge was complete and charging cable computer stated it took 37.3 kWh to bring it back up to 100% again but that does seem possible because that would be 100% efficiency. The computer in the charging cable may have used some factor like 90% efficiency perhaps.
By "charging computer cable", are you talking about your level 2 EVSE? if so, it's (likely) only going to be able to tell you the amount of energy it dispensed.

It should not go and reduce it by some factor for charging overhead as it has no idea what the overhead is for a connected vehicle. It's most definitely not the same for all EVs/PHEVs.

Thanks for the numbers, so far! (I am actually not interested in the "kWh" readings from Leaf Spy. See viewtopic.php?p=481577#p481577 and viewtopic.php?f=44&t=14285&hilit=gid+en ... 80#p521838. The gid values and voltages for LBW and VLBW and possibly even lower are more interesting/useful.
With the old battery Turtle model would occur shortly after GIDs dropping below 6 but before 4 GIDs were remaining. If Leaf Spy Pro only produced ONE result I would want it to be the GID's info. I do not plan to run the battery below 20% and most likely not below 30% so I have 40 miles of range for the next morning should I forget to charge the night before.

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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:21 pm

Look at this one:

https://forococheselectricos.com/2020/0 ... uidos.html

people are now looking to put non-Nissan packs into the Leaf. How cool is that.

Looks like the openness of the platform is providing many more options now for Leaf owners.
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:24 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:21 pm
Look at this one:

https://forococheselectricos.com/2020/0 ... uidos.html

people are now looking to put non-Nissan packs into the Leaf. How cool is that.

Looks like the openness of the platform is providing many more options now for Leaf owners.
Spending $9,000 - $12,000 for the 34 - 44 kWa option is still a lot to spend on an old Leaf but if the battery pack technology was really better than the Nissan 40 kWa battery that would be a plus. I think in countries that struggle to gain access to EV's redoing an old Leaf may be worthwhile.

I know the range gain of the 40 kWa over the 30 kWh makes a huge difference in drive ability. Nissan really does not offer any larger option than the 24 kWh until 2016 Leafs as far as I know.

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