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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:29 pm
by GRA
GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:
adric22 wrote:Here's a chart like I was thinking.. I could fill this chart in and revise it more if people like it. The Leaf is an example where I could show minimum guaranteed range, EPA range, and maximum range.
There really isn't a minimum gauranteed range. If you switch on the heater and let it sit, the range is zero ;-)

Here is what I'd like EPA / Manufacturer to publish. 9 numbers in all.

- City/Highway range (like they do now, but at 100% charge only)
- City/Highway Summer range (with A/C on, 100 F outside, 70 F inside)
- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)

They need to revise their highway cycle. Make it average about 65 or 70 mph.
Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)
Yeah, 32 deg. should be spring/fall range (winter/rainy season for those of us who live in Mediterranean climates). And maybe we shouldn't stop at 0 deg. for winter. Let's rate the cars at their minimum operating temp or -22 Deg. F. (-30C), whichever is higher, and say what the temp is.

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 pm
by evnow
GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)
Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)
Let's make it 16F ;-)

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:43 pm
by GetOffYourGas
evnow wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)
Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)
Let's make it 16F ;-)
Well, that works for me, but I was giving some allowance for our friends in Minnesota...

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:49 am
by ydnas7
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:53 pm
by jstack6
If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.

I have a 2013 LEAF and am waiting for the new Tesla 3rd Gen to come out on 2015-16 time frame. It maybe a long wait but the LEAF meets more than double our needs most days for work commuting. The 2013 is really better with more range and a battery that seems to be better in the heat. The Air Cond Heater is also a Heat Pump and twice as efficient as other EVs. I also leased a 2013 Focus so we can compare and so far they are very similar in range.

But my favorite is my ELF from Organic Transit in NC. http://www.OrganicTransit.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.ELFowners.webs.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's more fun per miles and can go 1,800 MPGe on peddle and solar! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:55 pm
by TomT
If you a heating, yes. If you are cooling, it is less efficient...
jstack6 wrote:The Air Cond Heater is also a Heat Pump and twice as efficient as other EVs.

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:59 pm
by TomT
I have seen no verifiable source for such a claim... Citations please.
jstack6 wrote:If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.

Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:59 pm
by GetOffYourGas
TomT wrote:I have seen no verifiable source for such a claim... Citations please.
jstack6 wrote:If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.
I second that - where is this wildly unsubstantiated claim coming from?