desiv
Posts: 594
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:10 pm
Delivery Date: 04 Jan 2015
Leaf Number: 018850
Location: Lincoln City, Oregon

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:33 am

Phatcat73 wrote:His car's BB value is about $3k. He'd be better off trading for an $8K near 4 bar loser car, under warranty, then get a fresh pack.
True if he wants to put int he pack and then sell it. That probably wouldn't be a good idea.
Yes, he can push the "it has a new battery, so it's worth much more than the BB," but that could be a tough sell..

But, if he's just looking to refresh the car, $6k for an old Leaf with FULL RANGE might be much better than $8k for a newer car that's still degraded..

True, you were specifically looking at a car that is about to get a free (warranty replaced) battery, but I'd be worried about that.
Has the car been exempted? Has it had the firmware update that might pop it back to a 3 bar loser for a bit? Something else?
I'd be wary of a car that can get a free battery, but hasn't yet...
But that's me, I'm not a gambling man by nature.. ;-)

desiv
2012 Leaf SL - Silver (gone - traded in)
2017 Bolt LT - Red

edatoakrun
Posts: 5222
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:33 am
Delivery Date: 15 May 2011
Leaf Number: 2184
Location: Shasta County, North California

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:53 am

The best solution for any 2011 owner who needs more capacity should be in installing in a used pack replacement from a newer LEAF.

Taylor SF's problem is , since he drives his LEAF so many miles so quickly, his need for a replacement pack may come sooner than the aftermarket supply.

I'm probably ~2 years away from wanting a replacement pack, by when I expect my ~55k mile LEAF will have lost ~20% of it's new range.

A low-mile 2015 pack may even give me better-than-new-2011capacity, at a much lower price than buying new from Nissan, assuming of course the market has developed by ~2017.
no condition is permanent

Reddy
Posts: 1544
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:09 pm
Delivery Date: 18 Aug 2011
Leaf Number: 006828
Location: Pasco, WA

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:32 am

Don't forget that he also has a 2015 Leaf. I'm pretty sure (if I was in his shoes anyway) he is planning to drive as many miles on the 2011 Leaf as possible just to see how far it will go. Call it bragging rights if you want, but it's probably more to do with curiosity. I'd really want to clock 150K, then see if 200K is possible in 2017. If winter comes (it is possible to never dip below freezing in this neck of the woods), he will probably switch to the 2015 for comfort and leave the 2011 for shorter trips. Then next spring it will be switcheroo time. At 3000 mi per month, he should crack 150K this fall.

It's great to see this much distance is possible, even with a short-range EV. Think about the gasoline savings and financial impact on those oil exporting countries (Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Nigeria, Venezuela). Just imagine what would happen to the US import/export balance if more people drove an EV.

However, I am concerned by the lack of regenerative braking. That is a sign the BMS is doing something, probably due to increased internal resistance. At some point something will fail internally. Many people have reported reduced regen, especially when cold or at high speeds, so this will only get worse. Since I plan to keep my Leaf forever, this will be a problem for me.

As for purchasing a $6K battery for a $3K car, it is probably a wash to get a newer vehicle with better technology. Eventually something else will fail that costs another $2-5K to fix, then you're nearly $10K, I've done the same thing with computers (my current 12 yo laptop graphics card/monitor has just flipped out, the battery was down to less than 30 min run time a long time ago). I need to decide whether it is worth adding anything, even $50, to get it running better. I'll probably go with a new one instead. On my last laptop, I spent $150 for a new hard drive and added memory to keep it running longer. Unfortunately, the mother board died about 6 months later, so not a good return on investment.

Good luck Steve and keep up the good driving! Thanks for keeping us informed.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

ILETRIC
Posts: 740
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:36 pm
Delivery Date: 04 Jun 2011
Location: Marin County

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:45 pm

I still think about the urge I had back in 2011 to put leather in that car. I finally came to my senses and decided to wait and see what's what.

Looking back, it's like finding 1,100 bucks laying on the sidewalk... Wow!
------------------------------------------------
1st bar lost at 38,700 miles/22 months
2nd bar lost at 45,750 miles/27 months

Traded-in on 10-19-2014 at 56,150 miles
-------------> for Kia Soul EV+ <-------------

User avatar
DaveEV
Posts: 6245
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:51 pm
Location: San Diego

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:58 pm

edatoakrun wrote:The best solution for any 2011 owner who needs more capacity should be in installing in a used pack replacement from a newer LEAF.
Very good point - how hard it is to find a decent used pack and how much do they cost? I looked online briefly and could not find any.

Valdemar
Posts: 2647
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 10:32 pm
Delivery Date: 09 Sep 2011
Location: Oak Park, CA

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:11 am

drees wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:The best solution for any 2011 owner who needs more capacity should be in installing in a used pack replacement from a newer LEAF.
Very good point - how hard it is to find a decent used pack and how much do they cost? I looked online briefly and could not find any.
Do we have the knowledge how to register a used pack of newer design with the 2011 Leaf's ECU? I don't think so.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

9kW Solar

User avatar
DaveEV
Posts: 6245
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:51 pm
Location: San Diego

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:34 am

Valdemar wrote:Do we have the knowledge how to register a used pack of newer design with the 2011 Leaf's ECU? I don't think so.
No, but worst case you move the LBC over, or have the dealer reprogram the pack.

Valdemar
Posts: 2647
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 10:32 pm
Delivery Date: 09 Sep 2011
Location: Oak Park, CA

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:01 am

drees wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Do we have the knowledge how to register a used pack of newer design with the 2011 Leaf's ECU? I don't think so.
No, but worst case you move the LBC over, or have the dealer reprogram the pack.
I wouldn't drop any money on a used pack until I knew one or the other is actually doable. I suspect 2011/12 LBC is incompatible with 2013+ modules, and whether or not the dealer has a way to pair a used pack is a big question, after all this additional complexity exists for a reason. Not saying it is a technical difficulty, but a process to request a key card from corporate may simply not exist, at least not yet.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

9kW Solar

dhanson865
Moderator
Posts: 1496
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 7:12 am
Leaf Number: 16156
Location: Tennessee

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:48 am

Valdemar wrote:
drees wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Do we have the knowledge how to register a used pack of newer design with the 2011 Leaf's ECU? I don't think so.
No, but worst case you move the LBC over, or have the dealer reprogram the pack.
I wouldn't drop any money on a used pack until I knew one or the other is actually doable. I suspect 2011/12 LBC is incompatible with 2013+ modules, and whether or not the dealer has a way to pair a used pack is a big question, after all this additional complexity exists for a reason. Not saying it is a technical difficulty, but a process to request a key card from corporate may simply not exist, at least not yet.
I wouldn't drop any money on a used pack until the 30 kWh or higher packs come out. It isn't far away and if they sell upgrade packs they may also offer refurbished packs. Imagine if the options were:

$6000 30 kWh pack upgrade
$4000 24 kWh pack replacement with new pack
$2000 24 kWh pack replacement with a pack guaranteed to have at least 10 bars (think about 80% SOH and 53 ahrs).

There might be some that have a 4+ bar loser that would like to have the choice of the cheaper pack replacements.

There might be more of those cheaper packs left over as someone upgrades to a new pack for Pay instead of Warranty.
Blue 2012 Leaf 195/65/15 tires, 15" Rims
Silver 2012 Leaf 16" stock wheels
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index. ... acity_Loss
(efficiency 3.x KW vs 6.x KW)
please join Truedelta.com and input your repairs.

User avatar
mwalsh
Posts: 9744
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:10 am
Delivery Date: 05 Jan 2011
Leaf Number: 0213
Location: Garden Grove, CA

Re: Down 5 bars at 141,000 miles

Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:04 am

Valdemar wrote:
I wouldn't drop any money on a used pack until I knew one or the other is actually doable. I suspect 2011/12 LBC is incompatible with 2013+ modules, and whether or not the dealer has a way to pair a used pack is a big question, after all this additional complexity exists for a reason. Not saying it is a technical difficulty, but a process to request a key card from corporate may simply not exist, at least not yet.
+1. We have no idea of whether or not an IC security card can be ordered from Nissan for an existing pack.

Nor, as of yet, do we know whether an owner requesting the IC security card that comes with his own new/replacement pack will end up with receiving it. I personally don't get this - why has nobody getting a replacement pack under warranty gotten back to us stating whether or not they've asked and been refused or vice-versa? It is like the number one question I intend to ask when I get my replacement pack, and if it's a pack I end up paying for out of warranty you can be damned sure I expect to receive that card (or get a very good reason as to why it's not available to me...which probably wouldn't wash anyhow)!
2011 Blue Ocean SL with 86,000 miles
2015 pack on 12/30/15
Tinted windows
Bosch AGM 12v
Ecopia 422+ tires
L1 EVSE upgrade
FIAMM horns
Superbright LED lighting
2013 sun visors
LED shifter
Heated seats
GT-R map lamp lenses
Altima illuminated door switches

Return to “Range / Efficiency / Carwings”