DaveinOlyWA
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:05 am

driving the speed limit is a personal choice. i am sorry but your situation is not unique. its the same pretty much everywhere and i still drive the speed limit PERIOD.

dont blame other drivers for something you and only you can control.

now having been in your area before (we just drove thru their in Oct) i will admit to getting some pretty good speed coasting down the hills there.
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:13 am

Driving 55 in a 65 zone with some traffic going 80 is not nearly as dangerous as you think.
However keep to the right. It does take some guts and self control, just set the cruise to watch and enjoy how crazy the others really are.
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 am

smkettner wrote:Driving 55 in a 65 zone with some traffic going 80 is not nearly as dangerous as you think.
However keep to the right. It does take some guts and self control, just set the cruise to watch and enjoy how crazy the others really are.
Having done my share of towing in heavy and/or fast traffic at 55-60 mph, I can confirm this is true. Plus it's strangely relaxing to be one of the slower cars out there you don't have to always be looking for a way around the other cars! *Try it* in your Civic again a few times and let us know how it goes...
kolmstead wrote: The Grapevine is a horrendous hill. 110 degree summertime temps, mile after mile of uphill, often at full freeway speeds. It is well known as a killer of cars. You have the worst case scenario... you'll be going down those steep hills when your battery is already full so regeneration won't be possible, and you'll be climbing them in the afternoon when it's hot and you've already used up 55 miles of your range.
At 55-60 mph going down the hill from Santa Clarita, the car probably wouldn't use much, if any, regen. Aero drag should keep the car at those reasonable speed. Coasting is equal to 100% efficient regen too. ;)

Also check out the threads here where energy per 1000 ft climbed is discussed.
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The car might make the trip when the batteries are new, but in a couple of years... probably not. Much as I love the LEAF, I think you'd be better off with a hybrid.
This may be true though, and replacing a car you're getting 45 mpg in on this trip is hard to justify for economical reasons, though you may have lots of other reasons for wanting to go electric.
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:33 am

You can make the commute easily if you're not going too fast. At 55mph it should be a piece of cake. At 70mph, I'm not sure. At 80mph, you probably won't make it.

On a high traffic day, your average speed will be slower and your range will therefore be longer.

I know you want to be able to take the carpool lane, but in the worst case scenario you can maintain a reasonably slow speed safely by simply staying in the truck lane.

There are a couple of excellent threads on this forum that you can use to calculate your range at any given speed, and to calculate your extra energy consumption for any given elevation gain. Sorry, no time for me to look them up right now, but you can get a very good estimation before even getting a car by doing these calculations.
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:48 am

Electric4Me wrote:Having done my share of towing in heavy and/or fast traffic at 55-60 mph, I can confirm this is true. Plus it's strangely relaxing to be one of the slower cars out there you don't have to always be looking for a way around the other cars! *Try it* in your Civic again a few times and let us know how it goes...
I'll concur with this. I used to hit top speed as soon as I got to the freeway - but I've slowed down now - driving in the lane next to the right most lane. It is infinitely more relaxing and much less stressful.

On my trips there, I don't remember driving in SoCal at 80 at all.
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:57 pm

Some people get anxious when they see someone gaining quickly on their tail.. they feel as they will be rammed and ran off the road, they get intimidated. A good training tool is to cover up the rear windshield of the car, put a large cardboard box in the hatch or on the shelf of the sedan and you wont see these people.. just make sure you have sideview mirrors on both sides of the car for safety. A couple of weeks of driving like this at 55mph and you will be fully trained. BTW, its legal to do this.

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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:08 pm

jdsantaclarita wrote:I'll have to look into the charging facilities to see if there is anything by my work that could help.
ChargePoint America lists a 240V/30A station inside the parking garage at the Santa Monica Place shopping center (SW corner, level 1).

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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:15 pm

Herm wrote:Some people get anxious when they see someone gaining quickly on their tail.. they feel as they will be rammed and ran off the road, they get intimidated. A good training tool is to cover up the rear windshield of the car, put a large cardboard box in the hatch or on the shelf of the sedan and you wont see these people.. just make sure you have sideview mirrors on both sides of the car for safety. A couple of weeks of driving like this at 55mph and you will be fully trained. BTW, its legal to do this.
In preparation for my Leaf, I began driving in the right lane at 60-65mph here in San Diego. Yes, there is the occasional crazy SOB who wants to use the right lane as a high-speed passing lane. But aside from watching them be a moron, I've run into exactly zero problems in the past 4-6 months of commuting 63 miles on I5, the 806 and the 52. I now actually ENJOY my drive. It's truly Zen. :D

I think the "I can't POSSIBLY drive at or just below the posted speed limit" idea is all in your head. 8-)
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:20 pm

Jimmydreams wrote:In preparation for my Leaf, I began driving in the right lane at 60-65mph here in San Diego. Yes, there is the occasional crazy SOB who wants to use the right lane as a high-speed passing lane. But aside from watching them be a moron, I've run into exactly zero problems in the past 4-6 months of commuting 63 miles on I5, the 806 and the 52. I now actually ENJOY my drive. It's truly Zen. :D
I think the "I can't POSSIBLY drive at or just below the posted speed limit" idea is all in your head. 8-)
Jimmydreams, when you get your HOV sticker, will you drive 65 in the HOV lanes? How fast does traffic usually move in the HOVs now?
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Re: How can I be sure the leaf will make my 72 mile LA commute?

Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:23 pm

LEAFfan wrote:Jimmydreams, when you get your HOV sticker, will you drive 65 in the HOV lanes? How fast does traffic usually move in the HOVs now?
I'll use the HOV lanes only when I know traffic is backed up and 65mph in the HOV lane won't disrupt traffic flow (I won't sit in stopped traffic just to appease HOV drivers who want to do 80mph past stopped traffic). HOV traffic USUALLY does 80mph, but when traffic is stopped in the other lanes, those speeds are VERY dangerous.

I'll also use the HOV lanes if there is more than one HOV lane. The I15 in SD county has multiple HOV lanes going north and south....so I might use those daily....that way my 65mph drive won't slow anyone down.
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