DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:33 am

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:33 am
The purpose of a test like this is to create a comparable metric across cars under repeatable conditions, not to find what any given owner’s experience would be.

It’s a fair test that achieves its intent.

Playing Captain Obvious here, but I don’t understand your objection.
I already acknowledged that it creates a baseline for comparison under the one condition. But its quite obvious due to the HUGE discrepancy in actual user data (which can be and usually is biased) that the test conditions do not treat each vehicle equally. What we are doing is eliminating the advantages each manufacturer designed into the car to create this range result.

This should be obvious.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:00 am

So you’re suggesting varying the baseline conditions to explore the advantages and disadvantages of each design?

That would be ambitious and far beyond the scope or purview of mass market media firms.
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:47 am

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:00 am
So you’re suggesting varying the baseline conditions to explore the advantages and disadvantages of each design?

That would be ambitious and far beyond the scope or purview of mass market media firms.
Hmmm? Is it? Because other than "range only" articles, it seems to me that "most" articles do exactly that. We accept them less because they seem filled with more opinion than fact. This does require digesting the information with a critical "stomach?"

So my digesting this article in the same critical vein seems to really perplex you and I find that strange. BTW; have we determined which model of E Plus was tested?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:36 am

It’s just one set of data points among many. And in terms of quality, among the better ones.

What’s not to like?

A critical eye is fine. No qualms with that. So far I haven’t heard a criticism of yours that seems well-founded to me.

My expectations are simply different. I don’t expect to be able to extrapolate from any one data set no matter the quality to my specific circumstances. You seem to if I’m following you.

As to their purview in conducting the test, conducting broad scale highly variable tests such as you suggest is not their business in my view. I’m glad they took the care they did. Many don’t.
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 pm

My understanding is that they tested the SL model. I don’t have anything beyond user comments to back that. I haven’t actually seen a media range test in an S yet.

If you know of one, please post.
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:20 pm

Everyone is aware the Leaf SV+ has 58/62 limited/nominal kWh of capacity vs the 47/50 kWh available in the 3 SR+, right? 23% more capacity should give you about 20% more range, or 36 miles, and they measured a difference of 36.

Anecdotally, I've seen a ton of posts about the SR+ not reaching 200 miles in various forums. The same complaint about the e+ Leaf seems relatively rare.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/1 ... ange-m3-sr

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... es.178091/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/co ... 192_miles/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ge.168616/

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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:26 pm

I have seen some articles suggesting the SR+ is 54-55 total size, and the SR is 50.
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:26 pm

In town, driving like I always have, our Leaf plus routinely got 240 miles or so to a full charge last summer. Closer to 200 on 80%. Purchased in July. Manufacturers date in April. Tires at 40 psi.

We swapped to lighter after market wheels for the factory tires, and put snows on our factory wheels. No noticeable changes in range with the new wheels and stock tires before it got cold.

So our experience is in line with their test. Most of our miles are suburban point to point trips. Very little highway. Very little stop and go. It’s actually been remarkably consistent so far in warm weather.

Winter range has been all over the map, mostly due to weather as far as I can tell.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:45 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:26 pm
I have seen some articles suggesting the SR+ is 54-55 total size, and the SR is 50.
SR 55
SR+ 62 but who "really" knows?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:20 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:45 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:26 pm
I have seen some articles suggesting the SR+ is 54-55 total size, and the SR is 50.
SR 55
SR+ 62 but who "really" knows?
SR and SR+ are the same 50 or 55. Based on tax forms filed in various states, it's probably only 50. MR is 62, LR is 75.

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