DougWantsALeaf
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Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:43 pm

Wikipedia and EV specification put the SR at 50 kWh and the SR+ at 54 kWh.

I know this has been a continual point of question. It’s probably better to use relative charging figures from the UDDS testing.
2019 SV Plus Silver 6/19 purchase 7,000 Miles
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh

GerryAZ
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Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:38 pm

Here are some efficiency numbers for my SL+:
Last charge: 204.5 miles; 4.0 mi/kWh dash display; 60.17 kWh from wall; 204.5/60.17=3.399 mi/kWh wall-to-wheels

Since delivery: 14134 miles driven; 4568.03 kWh; 14134/4568.03=3.094 mi/kWh wall-to-wheels

Tires are still OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S which I generally keep inflated to 44 psi cold.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:57 pm

Thanks Gerry

How do you feel the 2 cars (Leaf and SR+) compare in efficiency overall? (Highway/city/combined)

The 60 kWh from the wall with 10% loss suggest that 54 (give or take) is the usable capacity.

I would like a car show/magazine to do a few side by side range tests with Leaf+, SR+, Bolt, and maybe Niro. Carwow was close.
2019 SV Plus Silver 6/19 purchase 7,000 Miles
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh

GerryAZ
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 pm

I suspect the Teslas would have lower wall-to-wheels efficiency in my climate due to energy used by battery thermal management system and higher power-off residual energy use. I would like to have an opportunity to drive and charge a Tesla for a week to compare using my AeroVironment EVSE and meter.

There was some energy left in my battery when I started the last charge cycle so the 60.17 kWh is not the full capacity. Also, I don't know where you came up with 10% loss for you calculations.

I have 3 full discharge tests:
7/7/2019 1149 miles; 204.4 miles driven; 65.95 kWh from wall
11/10/2019 5656 miles; 165.1 miles driven; 66.64 kWh from wall
2/8/2020 11167 miles; 183.8 miles driven; 65.51 kWh from wall
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

NotATesla
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Delivery Date: 23 May 2019
Leaf Number: 311925

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:09 pm

February 2020
3.5 mi/kWh
1147.64 miles

March 2020 (COVID19, self quarantine, ultra light miles for us)
4.0 mi/kWh
397.8 miles
2019 SL Plus Silver - ODO: 20,588 mi SOH: 92.71%

dmacarthur
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Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:00 pm
Delivery Date: 03 Jul 2018
Leaf Number: 306556
Location: Vermont

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:31 pm

Still have not made it up to 4 M/KWH this Spring, even with summer Ecopias and no heat- averaging 3.6 with lots of dirt road/ dirt driveway miles. (well, not lots, due to COVID, but most of the miles are dirt).
2015 Leaf sold
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Dirt roads are not particularly efficient.

So far this April, 227 Miles and averaging 4.7 miles/kWh.

Limited driving since shelter are home.

We have had more warmer days (50F-55F) which makes a big difference. I have done half the driving and the other half are my 2 teenagers doing driving practice on their permit.
2019 SV Plus Silver 6/19 purchase 7,000 Miles
2013 Leaf SV
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Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh

gregn
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Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:29 pm
Delivery Date: 03 Dec 2019
Leaf Number: 302662
Location: Montpelier, VT

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:49 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:08 pm
The only other thing I do is drive in B mode the majority of the time I'm on the road and try to "coast" as much as possible when needing to slow down.


B Mode (and ePedal when available) work great for city driving, but Eco alone or D alone are better for highway use because it's so much easier to coast.
Older post but it reminded me of the concepts I use.
All these modes are tools. Like the gears on a standard transmission car. We are free to swap around with them depending on driving conditions.

For example if you're on a long gradual down slope dropping to D only will allow great coasting without much regeneration (braking). Gain some charge when you have to slow down is great but as it has been said slowing down to gain some power just to use that power and more to climb the next hill for example isn't worth it.

E-Pedal is really and around town tool. I find it too aggressive on any road that i'm not actually stopping often on.
B Mode for decent or sharp turn roads where you want some braking before corners. Otherwise it's ECO-D for me. I don't do rapid starts or rally driving that would need the short pedal response of just D.
I have found also the E-Pedal over rides B mode. It is affected by ECO though.

These operating methods might be too much for some. To each their own. I've always had manual trans cars and liked the options they provide. I think the use of these modes is really a personal preference. If you want a zippy sportyish drive then you likely won't be that worried about the best range. Those two never really go hand in hand in any car.

My Leafs have always taken me where I needed to go and worked as planned. I find I just have to honest about what I plan to do for that particular drive. I fond that part fun. Not everyone will.

Today I plan a fast run to the next L3 south of me with a 70% start charge to see how that battery responds to a fast charge at a lower percentage. I'm also testing the latest updates to ABRP ( A Better Route Planner). To see how the LeafSpy link actually works. I tried it yesterday but the app froze. I think it needs a constant data connection to work. That is a rare thing in Vermont so that feature likely won't be that useful here. It was however spot on with the whole trip estimate.

Greg
2019 Pearl Blue SV Plus w/All Weather 60kW AHr=174.76 SOH=98.9 Hx=97.78 2 QC 10 L1/L2
Lease Upgrade Feb 2020- 4300 miles @ end
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Lease ended Odo 35700 Hx 85%
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dmacarthur
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Leaf Number: 306556
Location: Vermont

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:26 am

You must know of the L3 right in Montpelier Greg? All of your feedback sounds exactly right to me.... not crazy about epedal except in the city.
2015 Leaf sold
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gregn
Posts: 112
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:29 pm
Delivery Date: 03 Dec 2019
Leaf Number: 302662
Location: Montpelier, VT

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:31 am

dmacarthur wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:26 am
You must know of the L3 right in Montpelier Greg? All of your feedback sounds exactly right to me.... not crazy about epedal except in the city.
Yes I know that one. There is another on the hill in Berlin along with all the Tesla Superchargers.
I wanted on this occasion to start with a charge that would have me arrive at the Hampton Inn WRJ one with a reasonably low charge. 34% in this case. I also wanted to run at 70 mph for the whole trip. I did indeed arrive at 34% as predicted. The charge time was a bit longer to 61% ( what I needed to return with 30% at home). The prediction was 17 min and it took 24. I didn't get 50 kWh rate. 48 was the max and it took a bit to get to that. ABRP allows editing that parameter at each stop so lowering that will give a better time estimate.
Running LeafSpy linked Live data to ABRP worked well this time. The prediction was 30% arriving home,e and actual was 29%. ABRP actually accounted for the regen from descending the hill into town. It did do well however when I took the exit before the one it wanted me to take. Told me I was off route and gave up. The phone app is still a bit buggy. Great tool for planning though.

Is the 62kWh Leaf a long trip machine? I would say no. Functional yes for the occasional trip but the slow charging and likely further reduction for a warmer battery from multiple charges would really not allow a quick long voyage. I plan to test this when the weather warms up a bit more.

If you stop easy night at a L2 and don't mind waiting then it would surely make it. ABRP says the 62 can cross the country. There are enough Chademo units with in its range hops.

I have 2 years on this lease and have to decide what's next. Maybe Nissan will get it sorted. I hope so. I like the Leaf. They are quite reliable as well. Bite the bullet for a Model 3 long range may be. I would likely keep that for a long time.

Time to go for a bike ride

Hope everyone is well,

Greg
2019 Pearl Blue SV Plus w/All Weather 60kW AHr=174.76 SOH=98.9 Hx=97.78 2 QC 10 L1/L2
Lease Upgrade Feb 2020- 4300 miles @ end
2019 Black SV w/All Weather and Tech Packages 40kW
Lease ended Odo 35700 Hx 85%
2016 Leaf SV Pearl Blue

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