sthbeach
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Leaf Number: 312576

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:44 pm

Yes, sorry, I meant kwh.
Interesting read on the link.
It explains everything a little further.
I wish I was on this forum before I bought the 2 Leafs, I probably wouldn't own either of them right now....lol

SageBrush
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Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:24 am

sthbeach wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:46 pm
It's not like a gas car where people go read the sticker and it says 27/32mpg city/highway, buy it and then 6 months later realize that they are realistically getting 22/26.
Nobody is up in arms about it and selling their car because of it. As a matter of fact, most accept it pretty reasonably.
The slew of class action lawsuits in the $Billions of dollars over unrealized fuel economy says differently. And guess what ? Unless the manufacturer cheated on the EPA testing (or its equivalent), the lawsuits are decided in the manufacturer's favor.

Reduced MPG in an ICE or reduced range in an EV from road conditions or driver behavior that do not mimic EPA testing are EXACTLY the same thing, and they end up with same result: More fuel consumption and more frequent refueling. The only difference to the consumer is that it takes longer to fill the battery in an EV than it takes to fill the tank of an ICE and charging locations may be less or more convenient.

I'm sorry that you had not figured this out beforehand but it falls in the 'no shit, Sherlock' category. And the manufacturers do tell you the charging rate.

This is something else entirely: you bought an EV with a battery too small to meet your commute and behaviors. This is a pretty easy error to make * but it is not the manufacturer's responsibility to quizz you on your lifestyle preferences.

* I know I came close to making just that error, but folks here in the forum set me straight.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

sthbeach
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Leaf Number: 312576

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:13 am

Yes, but there is a huge difference between ice and EV you said it....TIME. Time is money and there is nothing more precious or valuable especially to commuters that already spend countless hours on the road each week. I never said the manufacturers lie or even should be on the hook for anything because the bottom line is that I can charge my car again at some point in the day and be on my way with the only sacrifice being.......MORE TIME.
So like I was saying a few posts ago about who EV's are suitable for at this point in time and that the EV homers need to chill out and not be so gung ho just because it's ideal for them. And again, I didn't make a bad purchase, I made the only purchase that I can afford (and our combined income is a few notches above the average Canadian median family income) and it still doesn't serve my needs. And still, the only reason I could afford this car is because of commute I was spending $550/month in gas driving a 2006 VW Passat and when I did the math I realized that for an extra $100/month including cost of electricity to charge that I can be driving an almost new EV.
So this is a perfect example that the EV market is not quite there yet, I say a solid 3 more years.
Also, here in Ontario Canada, we are the king's when it comes to Nuclear energy as a matter of fact we sell most of it off to the States for pennies on the dollar so we are one of the ideal places for the EV boom. Not to mention that the 401 in the Toronto area IS the busiest stretch of highway in all of North America with cars and commuters Galore so if it doesn't happen here, it Ain't Happening!

danrjones
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Delivery Date: 17 Jun 2019
Location: Ridgecrest, CA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:21 am

Out of curiosity what model 2018 do you have? I scrolled back through and didnt see. Some had a heat pump and some did not. Without it, winter range will be much reduced. SL had it. Sv with all weather had it. But I'm in CA and Canada might have been different?
2018 Leaf SV Pearl White with Tech and All Weather, Purchased New on 5/3/19

WetEV
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Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 8:25 am
Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2014
Location: Near Seattle, WA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:24 am

sthbeach wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:13 am
Yes, but there is a huge difference between ice and EV you said it....TIME.
If you can charge only at home or work, an EV is a time saver.
WetEV
#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
2012 Leaf SL Red (Totaled)
2014 Leaf SL Red
2019 eTron Blue

sthbeach
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:33 am

Sorry, I don't think I ever stated my model.....

2018 Nissan Leaf SL
Pearl White
Winter package
40,000 kms

DougWantsALeaf
Posts: 999
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm
Delivery Date: 18 May 2013
Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:09 am

I agree with WetEV. Besides long road trips, our home is our only charging point (save some free charging at the mall/library when shopping). This round, even though 30K (USD) was the most we have ever spent on a car, we did it for the time savings of never going to the gas station, really no significant trade for regional travel, and less times to the mechanic.

From a fiscal sense, it would have been much more economical to buy the 40, as it is substantially cheaper when all discounts are applied and still really met most needs we have today. (the same SV with tech and weather would have been 7K or more less all said and done).

Admittedly we have a Plus, and did not consider the 40 Leaf as it wouldn't make our longest normal drive (Chicago to Milwaukee and back 150-170 miles/240 km) on a charge year round. (In summer the round trip with local driving uses about 60-65% of battery with the plus, so should be fine even in winter as car is garaged). We didn't want the pain in butt of having to charge on that route.
2019 SV Plus Silver
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh (4.9 KWh remaining)

DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 14149
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2018
Leaf Number: 314199
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:43 am

sthbeach wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:15 am
This sucks.......I never would have bought the car if i might need to charge in the day or that I have to dramatically change my driving habits to accommodate.
The way I look at it is that I bought an EV with a range of over 80 kms more than my daily commute and without me making any serous adjustments, it just doesn't work out well. :(

The funny thing is that my wife has the 2017 Leaf SV with the same amount of kms. Her commute is on the same highway just a little shorter, she totals between 130+140kms daily. She drives in eco and usually B mode all the time and does a consistent 110-115 kms/h and has about 10-18% battery left.
I just purchased and recieved the Leafbox and was planning on installing it on her car but now I'm thinking I might have to put it on mine instead!
Easy fix. Drive slower. Your LEAF actually comes with closer to 265 km of range. Even a 5% loss puts you well above the rated range. FYI; you may not think so but the weather has changed so expect your range to start dropping. Its quite subtle now but guessing your climate control needs will be a lot more than mine.

I had to bump my tire pressures up yesterday morning because the daytime temps have only changed a little but nighttime temps have changed much more. Still a lot way from heating season but its no longer shorts and t shirt first thing in the morning here.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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DaveinOlyWA
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Leaf Number: 314199
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:15 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 am
As you see in LeafSpy, the car keeps 8-9% of your range hidden so you don't run out of juice.
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Wrong. I have explained this to you before. NO USABLE RESERVE EXISTS
Your statement being correct has nothing to do with the fact that he did not mention a reserve
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 14149
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:48 am

sthbeach wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:44 pm
Yes, sorry, I meant kwh.
Interesting read on the link.
It explains everything a little further.
I wish I was on this forum before I bought the 2 Leafs, I probably wouldn't own either of them right now....lol
Well, you can't come into the EV World thinking there are no compromises. The huge advantages of EVness comes with a price just as slamming around in a gasser comes with huge compromises. Its a trade off. EVs have a lot of upside, gassers only have one; quick EXPENSIVE refueling.

If you can't figure out a balance, get rid of them while they still have reasonable value. You will lose your shirt but at least if you do it now, you won't get arrested for indecent exposure.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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