LeftieBiker
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:45 pm

EVs have a lot of upside, gassers only have one; quick EXPENSIVE refueling.

I seem to recall something about emissions...
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:51 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:45 pm
EVs have a lot of upside, gassers only have one; quick EXPENSIVE refueling.

I seem to recall something about emissions...
That is an upside?
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LeftieBiker
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:02 pm

You're right - I'm not fully awake yet. I read it as "gassers" having expensive refueling as a downside. Sorry about that. To be fair, ICE vehicles also usually have much more range before refueling, and they have better fueling infrastructure.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:39 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:02 pm
You're right - I'm not fully awake yet. I read it as "gassers" having expensive refueling as a downside. Sorry about that. To be fair, ICE vehicles also usually have much more range before refueling, and they have better fueling infrastructure.
Well, there are ways to view range. imm, the only important thing is how far to empty. Nothing else really matters. In an EV, you could start out every day 160 miles from empty (in my case) or 350 miles from empty in a gasser...one day, 275 the next, 200 after that, and so on.

So having longer range does benefit EVs in that we have more options for battery management, time management, etc. Now, the latter only applies if road tripping. For the other (estimated) 320 days a year, even that is not a worry. In a gasser; its all about how much gas you can afford to buy. Gasser brain; Do I fill up or get that overdue oil change?

So add it up. Gassing it once a week spending 6 to 18 mins a pop (real data from the Prius days) with the most common stop being 9 minutes so in a year lets say 468 mins at 9 mins a pop.

So I could do 15 NCTC freebies a year and still have time to spare!

It is really how you decide to look at things.
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sthbeach
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Ok....
So I did the exact same commute again today, same outside temp, same exact kms and Pro Pilot Cruise set the whole way again except this time I bumped it up to 120kph.
Results:

Yesterday's run at 115kph

GOM:
17.1 kwh/100km = 5.85 kms per kw (3.6 miles)
17% battery remaining
38 kms remaining (23.6 miles)

LeafSpy:
GIDS = 24.8%
SOC = 25.8%
9.6 kwh remaining


Average outside temperature today was 60-68 degrees.

SOH : 94.16
Ahr : 108.70
HX : 108.30

Today's run at 120kph

GOM:
17.6 kwh/100km
15% battery remaining
35 kms remaining

LeafSpy:
GIDS = 23.2%
SOC = 24.3%
9.0 kwh remaining


Average outside temperature today was 60-68 degrees.

SOH : 94.16
Ahr : 108.70
HX : 108.30

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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 pm

I wouldn't use cruise control. Its not very efficient. I think you be fine. you just have to drive 65 when Winter hits.
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sthbeach
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:02 pm

Yes, I think so too. I figure 110kph and I should be ok in winter......... Now in a few years from now....maybe not.

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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:01 am

sthbeach wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:02 pm
Yes, I think so too. I figure 110kph and I should be ok in winter......... Now in a few years from now....maybe not.
Take my advice; get LEAF Spy. It will truly add 20-30 miles of "comfortable stress free miles" to your range. You won't see the value of it right away but as the range diminishes (all Li batteries degrade no matter who is on the nameplate) it will become your lifeline.

Getting it now only allows you to create a database which can help you predict when

You need to replace it
investigate on the road charging options
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:13 am

Agreed. As much as I like using pro pilot, if I need to drive far,
I don’t use it except when needing to stretch, eat or drink.
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jdcbomb
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:11 pm

With my experience using ProPilot, I think it works great and can actually increase efficiency on relatively flat highways. My recent trip from Raleigh to DC, I left PP on and driving about 95 pct of the time. Averaging speeds around 62-67 mph, I used the RES+/SET- buttons to dial back speeds on significant uphill and increase speeds on downhill. This allowed me to get around 4.2 mi/kwh efficiency.
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