sthbeach
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm

I have driven and worked on cars for over 25 years. I have owned over 60 cars since then. I think I know a thing or two about motor vehicles. I could drive the exact speed limit of the highway and in inclimate weather here I still won't due better than about 150 kms on my 242 km rated 1 year old vehicle. You guys like to throw out analogies to ICE vehicles, EPA and real world driving like it's all relative........ITS NOT!
You guys like analogies, ok.....that's like saying I go and buy a new ICE vehicle that says 25 mpg highway and then I drive it on my commute to work doing 120 kph in the dead of winter and I'm getting 15mpg! No, because I probably won't do any worse than 20mpg.
No even half educated buyer thinks they will only be getting 150kms on their winter commute in their new 2018 Nissan Leaf when they are signing on the dotted line.
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:05 pm

sthbeach: EDIT the above offensive post or you get a warning as well.
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sthbeach
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:05 pm

No, they will lie and tell you what you want to hear to sell their cars. And this is a big reason why after 10 years the EV market only counts for 3.5% in North America.
You guys are saying it, but you just don't hear yourselves.
Ok, so EV's suck on the highway - Fact
So, therefore EV's suck for alot of commuters.
So next year I plan on taking a trip to Myrtle Beach with my family, it's a 1600 kilometer trip....hey, I have awesome idea, let's take the Leaf and we'll only have to stop and charge 9 TIMES......EACH WAY!!!
Oh no honey, let's take my Tesla Model 3 that way we only have to stop and charge 5 times each way!
Oh, but come on honey, even after all the incentives and discounts it's still only costing 1.5 times that of its ICE counterpart.
EV's.....not for everyone.... actually not for most!!!! LOL
Come talk to me in 5-10 more years.....lmao

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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:55 pm

sthbeach wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm
...No even half educated buyer thinks they will only be getting 150kms on their winter commute in their new 2018 Nissan Leaf when they are signing on the dotted line.
I understood the pros and cons of EV driving when I got my first LEAF in 2011. It's a totally different technology; marching into a dealership with preconceived notions and no reasearch makes no sense in this day and age, for ANY car, much less if spending that much on a tech you are not familiar with. I can meet or beat the EPA numbers any time I care to, BTW. Because I understand the reality of driving an EV and I can put my ego to one side.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 pm

There is no Ego.....
I have said it in previous posts, come and drive on the 401 where I live and you will quickly realize why the average speed is 120 kph.
If you drive 105-110, good luck surviving with the 18 wheelers.....it's just not a safe speed.
If you adjust your driving even further like the wise one, Sagebrush, advises and drive 90-100 kph.....heh, on the 401, I would strongly advise against it and go as far as saying that 120 kph is the safest speed compared to the above mentioned.
I suggest that the California dreamers stay put in the land of the liberals and palm trees and stop making ignorant comments.

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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:59 am

sthbeach wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 pm
There is no Ego.....
I have said it in previous posts, come and drive on the 401 where I live and you will quickly realize why the average speed is 120 kph.
If you drive 105-110, good luck surviving with the 18 wheelers.....it's just not a safe speed.
I've driven in most States and six Provinces. Saying you can't possibly be safe at the maximum posted speed is self-delusion. I've heard it many times and frequently in regards to roads familiar to me. I've never found it to be the case. Believe me there's no special force at work in your neck of the woods.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:04 am

sthbeach wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 pm
If you adjust your driving even further like the wise one, Sagebrush, advises and drive 90-100 kph....
No such advice given. I tried to explain to you with simple examples why the EPA test is not sthb* on the 401.
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:09 am

sthbeach wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 pm
I suggest that the California dreamers stay put in the land of the liberals and palm trees and stop making ignorant comments.
Why is it that those that pull out the 'liberal' card are the ones who have difficulty with basic physics ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:12 am

Nubo wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:32 pm
Again, the numbers are a basis for comparison and never have been warranted as a representation of your personal results if you don't match the test parameters.
This
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Two years in Colorado, now in NM
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11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Better Efficiency blah blah blah

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:25 am

I empathize with the Original Poster. It is unfortunate that your purchase does not meet your expectations... Perhaps there is some defect in the battery or elsewhere.. Maybe Nissan would be able to determine this..

On the other hand, an EV like the Leaf is a different animal than a gas car. I see it like the difference between two types of ships.. The Leaf is not like a cruise ship or a speed boat. I see it more like a sailboat. It is super efficient and it is powered very humbly. Traveling in it is like a liberating experience, not an event of the daily grind. When I drive mine, I am constantly (still after 5 years) in awe that I am driving thousands of miles without a drop of petroleum, and powered by my house's lighting, like my air conditioner or TV.

I also disagree that one MUST drive at 75MPH to be safe (in any country) if the posted speed limit is 55-60. Perhaps young people are moved by group peer pressure to drive like all of the others for fear of not being liked.. If you look at it logically, what inconvenience do you pose if you are going slower than the fast traffic? Those that are passing you must change lanes-- for a total of 10 seconds work.. Meanwhile, I will go the speed that I WANT.

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