DougWantsALeaf
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Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:38 am

So when returning from Iowa City to northern Suburbs, we were drenched. I had not yet driven in Plus in heavy rain on the highway before, certainly not for extended periods of time.

I have done this trip a couple times now, so usually, on the 225 miles, I can average low 4's at around 65 mph average (I did punch it on the way out, and at 70 for good distances ended up with 4.0 miles per kWh). Now I do stay with set set of traffic, and will go a bit slower if by myself as the wind resistance will quickly eat into my efficiency.

So in the heavy rain (even in medium rain), the impact of rain was significant. In the heaviest of rains, due to visibility, I was only going about 40 mph and was only getting about 3.5 miles per kilowatt. I had not anticipated getting such a large impact to efficiency.

We were lucky in the end, as between Dekalb and Aurora the rain lightened giving back a bit of efficiency, We were going to stop at the EA charger off of 355, but then the rain stopped and efficiency improved again.

As we moved on to 294, because weather patterns were moving quickly north and east, we had an unbelievable tail wind. I sometimes feel like driving an electric car is more like flying a plane then driving a car. I had never seen such amazing efficiency on the highway, for the 18 miles, between the end of 88 and 294 we averaged over 5.3, at 60 mph... It was truly unreal to get that type of efficiency. (maybe normal for Tesla 3's, but crazy good for us Leaf drivers when not driving downhill).

I ended up rolling up with 5 kilowatts left on Leafspy which was much less close then I thought due to the amazing tail wind. It never even hit very low battery (though very close). 1% showing on the dash for the last 6 miles. I sometimes think Nissan made a mistake by leaving so much range under 1%, as the car reviewing places tend to discount it. I think i had close to 6 kilowatts or 10 percent when dash went to 1%. In the few videos I have seen, it seems Tesla only leaves a couple miles of spare at the bottom of gauge. While I know this prevents getting stranded (in fact has anyone heard of anyone getting stranded in a plus), it gives a more negative perception of overall range.

Battery temp was about 87 F when we left and about 94 F when we pulled into the garage. Ambient temps were between 73 and 76 F. Temp was flat at around 91 for much of the trip until the battery was very low, and crept up the the last few degrees only in the last 15 minutes. I am guessing the rain with slower speeds for the mid section kept temps in check. Usually it creeps up a bit more during these 4 hour drives on a charge.

The good news is the Michelin Defenders did really well in the rain, even at 44PSI ,and traction on the roads, even when driving through mounting water was very good.

I think it was Olympia Dave that said rain is your biggest impedance to efficiency, and I would have to agree after this run. 25-30% impact to range in the downpour. When you consider even at 40-45 i was only in the mid 3's.
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webeleafowners
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:38 pm

Interesting Doug. Thank you. Are your tires stock?
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:46 pm

Heavy snow is the biggest impediment, but heavy rain is more likely to be encountered. Did you try "rain drafting" or letting other vehicles clear some of the standing water from your path?
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:49 pm

My tires are stock.

I did try to stay in the rain tracks when available. It may have mildly helped.
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webeleafowners
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:52 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:49 pm
My tires are stock.

I did try to stay in the rain tracks when available. It may have mildly helped.
So Doug, what tires are stock on a Leaf Eplus. I’m assuming they went away from the ecopias.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:36 pm

The SV plus comes with Michelin Energy Savers 235/50 17”. It’s the same type of tire as the SR+.

One of my other gripes is that the tires are sidewall rated at 44psi, but most reviews keep them at 36psi, like the door reads. I believe the S comes with ecopia tires.
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frontrangeleaf
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:32 pm

Typo above? Stock tire size is 215/50R17.

And I thought you said you had Michelin Defenders, not the Energy Savers.

Anyway, surprised heavy rain can make such a difference. Interesting.

Not a common occurrence here. But good to know.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:17 pm

Sorry, not sure why I said defenders... I was typing and not thinking. My wife just came home with the car.. I stand corrected, they are 215/50 not 235.
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:18 pm

One of my other gripes is that the tires are sidewall rated at 44psi, but most reviews keep them at 36psi, like the door reads.
It is not good practice to inflate tires to the sidewall max for everyday use - some EV situations excepted. What would make sense would be for Nissan to raise the recommended pressure to at least 38psi - preferably 40. (I inflate mine to 42 and let them get down to 38.) But hey, this is Nissan...
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webeleafowners
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Re: Rain Sucks

Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:43 pm

Are the tires on the Eplus SL the same as the tires on the Eplus SV?
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