GerryAZ
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:50 pm

salyavin wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:07 pm
Besides the range for a person who lives in a hot climate I suspect the larger battery heats up less while charging and such, perhaps you can confirm that as you live in Az and have a plus you could set us straight. I prefer the Nissan, more room inside for one last I looked but I wonder if the Bolt might be a better buy for people in hot climates due to the battery cooling.
It may be too soon to be sure, but my observations have been that the temperature of the battery in the Plus does run cooler than the 2015 (which was cooler than 2011). I will know more about temperature and capacity loss after a full year of use.
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:08 am

Thank you, I look forward to hearing how a year treats you. I am hoping for good news with a larger capacity battery operating cooler increasing lifespan for people in climates like yours.

ShayeraHol
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:03 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:04 am
^^^
Keep in mind the Federal tax credit situation for GM and Tesla vs. all the rest: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml. However, if you have insufficient tax liability to take full advantage of the applicable Federal tax credit and you can't create more income in that tax year to take advantage, you can only take so much of the credit.

(Example: If your total Federal tax liability is only $5000 in a given tax year, then you can only claim up to $5000 of the Federal EV/PHEV tax credit in that tax year. It can't be carried over. Do not be confused by refund or no refund. That's not the issue. Tax liability is the key factor.)

If you buy a used EV/PHEV, none of this applies. It's ineligible for the above Federal tax credit. And, if you lease, you aren't the owner so you CANNOT claim it either.
Yea I was thought it worked like a rebate because I wont get back much from the tax credit since I don't owe much.

I was wondering what you think about the Bolt vs Hyundai Ioniq and Kia Niro? I was really interesting in the Bolt because its electric but I don't like the 3 year basic warranty. I wished it was longer.How have you liked it so far?

I also saw that GM is offerring discounts on it this month
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/12/ch ... mber-2019/

If i cant get a ev in my price range I might have to settle for a hybrid since the'yre cheaper.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:12 pm

ShayeraHol wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:03 pm
Yea I was thought it worked like a rebate because I wont get back much from the tax credit since I don't owe much.

I was wondering what you think about the Bolt vs Hyundai Ioniq and Kia Niro? I was really interesting in the Bolt because its electric but I don't like the 3 year basic warranty. I wished it was longer.How have you liked it so far?
It has nothing to do w/how much you "owe". It's specifically related to tax liability. If you have tax liability of at least $7500 (can be all paid via withholdings or estimated tax payments), you can qualify for the entire $7500 Federal tax credit.

As for Ioniq, I've never driven one. It wasn't even in the picture when I was considering Bolt. I wanted an EV that had enough range to be my only car. Ioniq of the time was nowhere close (https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?act ... 0&id=42191). I'd have been better off getting a 40 kWh Leaf at the time.

There are reports that the DC FC speed of 2020 Ioniq Electric took a big step backwards from previous gen. Its range is also too short to be my only car besides it being too late for now I have no plan to degrade from Bolt to a 170 mile EV.

Sorry, I know almost nothing about the Kia Niro. It didn't exist in the US at the time I bought my Bolt. If you look at US sales figures of HyunKia in the US (https://insideevs.com/news/343998/month ... scorecard/), it seems they're not serious about EVs in the US.

Will write about Bolt later.
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:13 pm

What are your priorities, aside from price and warranty? Range, comfort, performance, interior room...?
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:13 pm
What are your priorities, aside from price and warranty? Range, comfort, performance, interior room...?
Range and interior room are my main priorities. I would have kept my leaf if it wasn't for the range.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:09 pm

ShayeraHol wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:26 pm
Here is the image again. I live in south Texas.
I just found that. You pretty much can forget about Ioniq Electric in TX. It's n/a there per https://www.hyundaiusa.com/ioniq-electric/index.aspx.

Oddly, looks like Niro Electric might be available in TX even though it's not a CARB emissions state. Even if you could get either there, I doubt you'd find a dealer that has ever worked on any of the Ioniq EV or worked on more than a single digit # of them. As I said, HyunKia's not serious about EVs in the US, at least for the last few years so far.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:50 pm

ShayeraHol wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:13 pm
What are your priorities, aside from price and warranty? Range, comfort, performance, interior room...?
Range and interior room are my main priorities. I would have kept my leaf if it wasn't for the range.
How much range do you need?
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ShayeraHol
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:05 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:50 pm
ShayeraHol wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:13 pm
What are your priorities, aside from price and warranty? Range, comfort, performance, interior room...?
Range and interior room are my main priorities. I would have kept my leaf if it wasn't for the range.
How much range do you need?
At least 200 miles. That's why I was also looking into hybrids if I cant get a electric.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:08 pm

Ioniq Electric falls short of your range criteria and it's n/a in your state anyway.
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?act ... 0&id=42191

Given the small quantities of HyunKia EVs sold in the US, I suspect inventory is small and thus you might not be able to get a great deal. But, they still have the full tax credit.

I don't know where in TX you are, but I picked a random McAllen zip code and came up with https://www.kia.com/us/en/inventory/res ... &year=2019. Seems like the closest is in San Antonio.

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