DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:21 pm

I am a big fan of the 70mph test and think the two are doing a great job, especially as NJ and NC have slightly different climates.

I would really like them to test the SR+ and Niro.

The graph is good too. Though unlikely, I would also like to see them test the S+ Leaf.
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webeleafowners
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:32 pm

Too funny. We live in a slow part of the world. 70 mph is like 112 kmph. There is no place in this province you can legally go over 110 kmph. And no place anywhere in our valley you can go over 100 kmph. The vast majority of speed limits are 90 kmph or slower. We would absolutely slay those ranges in our model 3 in this part of the world, even with all the mountains. We did the same in our leaf. In our 4 year old 2016 SV leaf we could easily get 170 km of range. Speed is everything. LOL.

Sorry. I know it’s MUCH faster across the border (and in some other parts of Canada too).

Ok. Back to the real world. :).
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm

alozzy wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:57 pm
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Did you draw that yourself, or is there an attribution missing...? ;)

In some cases you have to factor in time as well, not just percentage of people who buy a new technology. It just doesn't make any sense to lump people who lease a Leaf in 2020 with those who leased an EV-1 in 1996. I'm assuming that the graph above assumes that a new technology has no political or practical downsides, unlike the reality of EVs.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:11 am

Webleafowners, the speedlimit around us (around Chicago land) is also only 90km/h (55mph). Its only when I am traveling across state(s) do I get to enjoy the faster limit, never in day to day driving.
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webeleafowners
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:21 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:11 am
Webleafowners, the speedlimit around us (around Chicago land) is also only 90km/h (55mph). Its only when I am traveling across state(s) do I get to enjoy the faster limit, never in day to day driving.
I hear ya Doug. But for us, IT’S THE WHOLE FREAKIN PROVINCE. :). Not complaint. Too many mountains and lakes and not enough people. Trans Canada highway has got some faster stretches but generally it’s sllloooowwww. :). Great for range though. :).
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:42 am

Very true for both EVs and ICE.
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SageBrush
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:35 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm
Did you draw that yourself, or is there an attribution missing...? ;)
Look at the graphic URL
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:23 am

URL opens to "https://www.ou.edu/deptcomm/dodjcc/grou ... /curve.JPG"

Strangely enough, "https://www.ou.edu/deptcomm/dodjcc/groups/99A2" opens to a page about the DoD and anthrax vaccination.

Regardless, the graph doesn't apply to BEVs or plug-ins in general. If we go with the graph parameters, that means those buying hybrids today are "early adopters" yet they are instead "laggards" at best.

The innovator part also makes no sense. Those would be the scientists, engineers, and leadership who bring those vehicles to market, not the consumers who buy them.

If this has anything to do with vehicle new tech adoption, best explanation might be that someone learned what a standard deviation was for the first time, maybe was drinking a bit too much, had a (mis)revelation, and came up with this chart. :D
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Re: 70 mph Range Tests: InsideEVs

Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:55 pm

iPlug wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:23 am
If this has anything to do with vehicle new tech adoption, best explanation might be that someone learned what a standard deviation was for the first time, maybe was drinking a bit too much, had a (mis)revelation, and came up with this chart. :D
:lol:
You are obviously right; I would not take the graph too seriously, and even less so the labels.
The one thing these graphs of historical adoption tend to show (and not a bell curve) is that new tech adoption is +/- sigmoidal, in fact rather like a virus epidemic. The curve upward appears linear and flat-ish in the beginning (although it is not) and then 'takes off.'
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