Stoaty wrote:Your ignorance is showing here, and the anti-science stance isn't going to be useful on this forum, as there are a lot of intelligent folks here. However, I agree that the stupid trees take up space that could be better used for something useful like the temperature sensors for the battery pack.
Tsk, Tsk. Ignorance, anti-science... sticks and stones. There is plenty of that on display in the environmental movement, but you're probably right this is not the forum to go through that in detail.
Point is that if the goal is to increase adoption of EVs, the marketing message needs to be separated from a niche true believer mindset, bordering on religous dogma as symbolized by nature icons such as trees or leaves. Because rightly or wrongly there are plenty of smart, not ignorant people in the wider world that are unconvinced of the economics or technology and view catastrophic AGW as being politically driven and not by the science.
I leased my Leaf because
1. It was basically free to lease for 2 years. In addition to Federal and dealer incentives, my state of Georgia give a $5000 credit for a 2 year lease. Crazy I know but I'll take advantage and worry about the debt to my (and your) kids later.
2. I like to play with new technology. I've got a materials science degree, masters in IT and work in technology so it's a bit of a useful toy. Nissan loaded the Leaf with extras usually found only on upscale cars so that is nice as well.
3. I do like having transportation options. It is nice not having to drop $50 at the gas station every week and gas shortages do crop up here in Atlanta every so often, like what happened a few years ago when there was a storm in the Gulf and gas was almost impossible to get here for about 2 weeks because the refineries were shut down.
Whenever I see a green label on something I immediately think "Oh gawd, how much is that going to cost and is it really going to work". That's the mindset you have to overcome. I overcame it because I did alot of research into EVs. Building trees was a big turnoff.
To some of the points by other posters:
TomT - point taken about other natural and manmade causes of smog. Air quality has improved greatly with emissions standards and catalytic converters in recent decades to the point smog days are the rare exception even in basin metros like LA. EVs certainly do help.
sproqitman - Lithium mining consumes a great deal of material and water. Perhaps less impactful then say strip mining but the impact is there. Most of the mining takes place overseas so it's out of sight. Also, nobody is debating the link of CO2 to temperature. (common misconception people have about climate skeptics) Just whether that impact is even measurable and is significat when compared to natural variations. The planet has survived much greater periods of warming, not just in the geologic past but during the Holocene period since the last ice age.