Lothsahn
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Delivery Date: 04 Jan 2018
Leaf Number: 007797

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:05 am

Crosspost from the Fenix Systems battery thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicl ... ange_from/

Looks like someone has actually put a 40kWh in a 24kWh car, with full instrumentation working. 180 miles in a 2011.
2011 Silver SV, purchased 2018, lives in Missouri (previously in CA)
LeafSpy Pro + BAFX Products OBDII dongle
Battery swap 2019/04/24 (87% SOH, 12 bar)

Oilpan4
Gold Member
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:51 pm
Delivery Date: 10 May 2018
Leaf Number: 004270

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:55 am

I'm guessing some one figured out how to teach a bms how to translate.
I wasn't expecting that for like another year.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

goldbrick
Posts: 635
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:33 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Aug 2017
Leaf Number: 311806
Location: Boulder, CO

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:43 pm

This could be a game changer for folks with the older Leafs. There was a 2012 for sale nearby for $2500 recently. I thought about buying it just to use the batteries for solar backup but didn't since it will be years before I'm ready for that. However, buying the car and spending $7500 to put in a 40 kWh pack would yield a $10k 40kWh Leaf. Not a bad proposition if everything else was OK.

SageBrush
Posts: 4907
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 am
Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:52 pm

I follow this LEAF battery upgrage swap story out of interest but it is extremely unlikely to ever be an option for me, or for the lion's share of 24 kWh LEAF owners. Consider:

1. Nissan is not interested
2. A full fledged car garage is needed due to the equipment requirements, battery heft
3. LEAF expertise is needed
4. The LEAF does not travel
5. Battery shipping is *expensive*, and 40 kWh lightly used but in good condition packs are a rare bird indeed.

How many garages in your town fit the bill ?
How many 40 kWh packs that meet your requirements are available locally and are not prohibitively expensive to transfer ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

Lothsahn
Posts: 528
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:35 pm
Delivery Date: 04 Jan 2018
Leaf Number: 007797

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:29 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:52 pm
I follow this LEAF battery upgrage swap story out of interest but it is extremely unlikely to ever be an option for me, or for the lion's share of 24 kWh LEAF owners. Consider:

1. Nissan is not interested
2. A full fledged car garage is needed due to the equipment requirements, battery heft
3. LEAF expertise is needed
4. The LEAF does not travel
5. Battery shipping is *expensive*, and 40 kWh lightly used but in good condition packs are a rare bird indeed.

How many garages in your town fit the bill ?
How many 40 kWh packs that meet your requirements are available locally and are not prohibitively expensive to transfer ?


I went through the hassle of all of this to get myself a new 24kWh pack. I agree that its not for the majority... And it was a ton of work... But very worth it. I saved ~$4.5k on the battery.

If I could have done this instead, I would have gone for it in a heartbeat.

I am not normal. I am also not rich. For those of us that can't afford a Tesla or newer leaf, this is... amazing. :-)
2011 Silver SV, purchased 2018, lives in Missouri (previously in CA)
LeafSpy Pro + BAFX Products OBDII dongle
Battery swap 2019/04/24 (87% SOH, 12 bar)

Dala
Posts: 112
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:24 am
Delivery Date: 01 Jan 2015
Leaf Number: 316851

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:29 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:52 pm
I follow this LEAF battery upgrage swap story out of interest but it is extremely unlikely to ever be an option for me, or for the lion's share of 24 kWh LEAF owners. Consider:

1. Nissan is not interested
2. A full fledged car garage is needed due to the equipment requirements, battery heft
3. LEAF expertise is needed
4. The LEAF does not travel
5. Battery shipping is *expensive*, and 40 kWh lightly used but in good condition packs are a rare bird indeed.

How many garages in your town fit the bill ?
How many 40 kWh packs that meet your requirements are available locally and are not prohibitively expensive to transfer ?
1. Nissan is not interested
Why is this even listed as an issue?
2. A full fledged car garage is needed due to the equipment requirements, battery heft
I got that
3. LEAF expertise is needed
I got that
4. The LEAF does not travel
Leafs can be shipped 1000km for 200€
5. Battery shipping is *expensive*, and 40 kWh lightly used but in good condition packs are a rare bird indeed.
I shipped a 40kWh battery for 260€ across three EU countries

What?!

SageBrush
Posts: 4907
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 am
Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:02 am

Dala wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:29 am
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1. Nissan is not interested
Why is this even listed as an issue?
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No technical support
No warranty
No garage access

If a problem occurs after installation, where does the car owner go ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

Oilpan4
Gold Member
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:51 pm
Delivery Date: 10 May 2018
Leaf Number: 004270

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:37 am

I should easily be able to drop the battery using my pallet jack.
Probably do it outside so I can roll the battery inside the garage to take it apart.

In the US I have shipped several vehicle long distance over the years.
I had my leaf shipped from Chicago to new mexico, total cost to my door was about 50 cents a mile start to finish to have it carried by truck.

To have a leaf battery shipped across the US would run $250 to $500 and that's delivered to where I work where there are about 20 commercial loading docks and dozens of forklifts. Delivery to a truck loading dock just about cuts the price in half compared to home delivery.

Now let's see if some one does it with an e+ pack.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 14218
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Nov 2019
Leaf Number: 319862
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:43 am

goldbrick wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:43 pm
This could be a game changer for folks with the older Leafs. There was a 2012 for sale nearby for $2500 recently. I thought about buying it just to use the batteries for solar backup but didn't since it will be years before I'm ready for that. However, buying the car and spending $7500 to put in a 40 kWh pack would yield a $10k 40kWh Leaf. Not a bad proposition if everything else was OK.
$7500? Might get a salvage one for that price. You really think Nissan will sit on its hands if this guy's business takes off?

I would have preferred he put together his own pack. Might be a bit easier that way.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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goldbrick
Posts: 635
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:33 pm
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Leaf Number: 311806
Location: Boulder, CO

Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:14 am

I didn't read the article in much detail but I have to imagine the pack was out of a wrecked Leaf and this will always be a cottage industry. That's fine with me and I doubt this would ever become a high volume business. Best case, it could get to the point of the Suburu engine into a Vanagon type business, which is fairly mature now and well supported with easily available parts for the swap, mechanics who have done multiple swaps, etc.

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