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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:24 am

Yanquetino wrote:I am only guessing at this, but perhaps Nissan wanted to place the latch to open the charge lid where a driver wouldn't release it by accident with an errant finger, coatsleeve, purse strap, etc. I would imagine that, if the hatch opened while driving at freeway speeds, the sudden force of the wind could damage or break it completely off --just like could happen with a car's hood. Come to think of it, I can't remember if the charge lid has a secondary "safety" latch under the lip like a hood. I hope so, because such accidents do happen, even when the primary latch is placed well out of the way.
I know I'm replying to an old comment, but it reminds me of something that happened last month. Pulling into my driveway, I had popped the charge port latch in preparation for an opportunity charge. Then I remembered I had another errand to run. So I got back in the car and started off. The charge port door was unlocked but not open. A few minutes later, cruising down the highway, the charge port door flies open all the way! So I stop at the side of the road and press it closed, then continue on my way.

Ideally, the charge port door would unlock itself immediately after stopping and turning off the car, and then would lock itself after about 5 minutes. If the car is turned on, it would lock itself too. Press on the door to open it, press to close.
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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:46 am

I'm glad to hear that the door was not damaged. With my tendency to forget
things, I'm a bit concerned about that.
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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:12 am

It seems like the charge port door needs the same secondly latch that the hood of virtually every car has. Has anybody put a timer inhibit switch up front yet?

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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:23 am

johnr wrote:
Yanquetino wrote:I am only guessing at this, but perhaps Nissan wanted to place the latch to open the charge lid where a driver wouldn't release it by accident with an errant finger, coatsleeve, purse strap, etc. I would imagine that, if the hatch opened while driving at freeway speeds, the sudden force of the wind could damage or break it completely off --just like could happen with a car's hood. Come to think of it, I can't remember if the charge lid has a secondary "safety" latch under the lip like a hood. I hope so, because such accidents do happen, even when the primary latch is placed well out of the way.
I know I'm replying to an old comment, but it reminds me of something that happened last month. Pulling into my driveway, I had popped the charge port latch in preparation for an opportunity charge. Then I remembered I had another errand to run. So I got back in the car and started off. The charge port door was unlocked but not open. A few minutes later, cruising down the highway, the charge port door flies open all the way! So I stop at the side of the road and press it closed, then continue on my way.

Ideally, the charge port door would unlock itself immediately after stopping and turning off the car, and then would lock itself after about 5 minutes. If the car is turned on, it would lock itself too. Press on the door to open it, press to close.

But that would make sense, Nissan seems to do quite a bit of research on how to do things stupidly in this car. A button on the dash would have been even better, at least don't put the handle1/8" away from the hood release. An electronic parking brake but a low-positioned manual charge door release. :roll:

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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:32 pm

1. I just feel for the rounded "notch" in the end of the lever that opens the Charge-Hatch.

2. I want the Charge-Hatch to remain locked at all times,
unless I unlock it with a pull of the lever.

3. Having the Hatch unlock whenever the car is turned OFF is a VERY BAD "feature".
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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:47 pm

In six months, and opening the charge door virtually every time I get home, I have never had a problem finding the release in the blind OR accidentally opening the hood by mistake. They are both large levers, it is hard to mistake them or mix them up... I have no problem with the current scheme.
EVDRIVER wrote:But that would make sense, Nissan seems to do quite a bit of research on how to do things stupidly in this car. A button on the dash would have been even better, at least don't put the handle1/8" away from the hood release. An electronic parking brake but a low-positioned manual charge door release. :roll:
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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:08 pm

TomT wrote:In six months, and opening the charge door virtually every time I get home, I have never had a problem finding the release in the blind OR accidentally opening the hood by mistake. They are both large levers, it is hard to mistake them or mix them up... I have no problem with the current scheme.
EVDRIVER wrote:But that would make sense, Nissan seems to do quite a bit of research on how to do things stupidly in this car. A button on the dash would have been even better, at least don't put the handle1/8" away from the hood release. An electronic parking brake but a low-positioned manual charge door release. :roll:

I don't have an issue but it's a bad design because some people do have an issue with it. Regardless there should be a more convenient location for a button and if you forget you need to go to the car to open it, it should release with a push on the hatch, etc when a key fob is near. It's a clunky design for an EV as that is a high use item. I intend to automate mine with no button so I never need to pull the release manually.

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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:28 pm

My VLVOXC70 has juss the device that would solve the problem of "lever or button". There is a button on the lower left side of the dash to electrically release the fuel door. The button looks like a close fit to unused ports on the center console. Not the ideal loaction, but------

Looking at the portion in the fuel port; it may be a rather easy conversion, wait--nothing is easy with VOLVO--but it is spot on as to an alternative to the lever.

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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:39 pm

highcountryrider wrote:
Volusiano wrote:<snip>Why go through so much trouble? Just add a simple cord up front to manually release the charge door. It's already been done by many people. See this thread.
I'd rather that it couldn't be opened without a "key". Some a**hole with an attitude about electric
cars could do damage to the port.
Only people who are savvy with the Leaf enough would know if there's a manual release hack very inconspicuously located at an out of the way place. Besides, what can they do to damage the ports? Stick wires into the holes to short things out? Where would they have wires handy all of a sudden unplanned in the first place? And who would be stupid enough to stick wires in the port not knowing whether they may get electrocuted or not?

If they truly have an attitude about electric cars, they simply have to walk by and key scratch the car on the doors and nobody would even notice what they do. Why fumble around looking for an external charge door latch release to just mess around with the ports and be really noticeable by other people nearby that you're trying to vandalize something?

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Re: Opening the charger port could be easier

Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:42 pm

BLUEH20 wrote: Looking at the portion in the fuel port; it may be a rather easy conversion, wait--nothing is easy with VOLVO--but it is spot on as to an alternative to the lever.

No I cant post a picture as I am rather a novice on the server issue on this fourm.
Picture not needed. The LEAF uses a simple mechanical release mechanism, and what you're suggesting is electronic. Where to put the button is the smallest consideration!!!

I would like to see a basic dash warning whenever the car is powered and in gear, and the charger door is open.

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