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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:55 am

Tortoisehead77 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:05 am
powersurge wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:28 am

Scenario 3) If you buy a New Leaf, you will not be satisfied with a standard 40 KWH Leaf, but the nice, top of the line E+ SL (for $45,000). Then, you will have a nice $300+ per month finance charge for 6 years, higher insurance costs with collision, and a rapidly depreciating asset (again, like your old leaf). NO GOOD. PS - I refuse to pay $45k for a Econobox size car...
Nobody is paying $45k for a new Leaf.
Well, all of the Leaf +'s in my area are SLs, and the sticker prices are in the $44-45K range. I don't care about incentives. But do not wish to buy this small car for even a thousand off sticker. They are not going to discount a car of that price much, and you will be paying tax on that initial amount. So, if the car sells for about $44,000 + tax = Almost $49,000 out of pocket!! Even if you get $7,500 back from taxes, you are skill paying out of pocket almost $42,000!!! THAT IS A HOLDUP as I see it compared to spending for a replacement battery.

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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:29 am

Wow that's about 40,000 more than I ever plan to spend on any car.
I want my payment plan to be one.
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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:46 pm

powersurge wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:55 am
Tortoisehead77 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:05 am
powersurge wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:28 am

Scenario 3) If you buy a New Leaf, you will not be satisfied with a standard 40 KWH Leaf, but the nice, top of the line E+ SL (for $45,000). Then, you will have a nice $300+ per month finance charge for 6 years, higher insurance costs with collision, and a rapidly depreciating asset (again, like your old leaf). NO GOOD. PS - I refuse to pay $45k for a Econobox size car...
Nobody is paying $45k for a new Leaf.
Well, all of the Leaf +'s in my area are SLs, and the sticker prices are in the $44-45K range. I don't care about incentives. But do not wish to buy this small car for even a thousand off sticker. They are not going to discount a car of that price much, and you will be paying tax on that initial amount. So, if the car sells for about $44,000 + tax = Almost $49,000 out of pocket!! Even if you get $7,500 back from taxes, you are skill paying out of pocket almost $42,000!!! THAT IS A HOLDUP as I see it compared to spending for a replacement battery.
That's why some folks buy Bolts.

https://www.chevroletoffremont.com/Vehi ... year%7Casc - 238 mile EPA range rating (a bit more than Leaf Plus), liquid cooling of 60 kWh battery, and heavily discounted: currently starting at $25,240 before $3750 Federal tax credit. However, if one wants DC FC inlet, it's a $750 option on both trim levels.

I noticed last night the inventory at that dealer (I bought from them in Jan 2019 when tax credit was $7500 but discounts smaller) has really dwindled: currently 66 new '19s, only 7 LT trims (lower trim) and 59 Premiers. I guess they're working down their inventory since we're at end of model year and the 2020 had 66 kWh battery for 259 mile EPA range.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:44 am

Yes, I really like the Chevy Bolts. At those prices, it is an attractive alternative...

I have been watching Youtube videos which tear down the mechanicals on the Bolt. There is a channel called "Weber Auto"... Man those Bolts are really high quality, well designed cars.... If you don't mind the little seats! LOL.

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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:37 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:50 pm
... it also renders the gom a little more useless....
As if that were possible :lol:
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:48 pm

I think it was wetev who said the gom gets more accurate as it approaches 0.
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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:45 am

I think it was wetev who said the gom gets more accurate as it approaches 0.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:10 pm

I’ve never understood the GOM thing. Ours is always pretty accurate. My guess is we just happen to have the perfect driving conditions in our valley. Slow speed limits mostly around 90 kmh or less.
2015 Smart Electric Drive convertible.
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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:27 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:10 pm
I’ve never understood the GOM thing. Ours is always pretty accurate. My guess is we just happen to have the perfect driving conditions in our valley. Slow speed limits mostly around 90 kmh or less.

The last few minutes of your typical drives happen to correspond well with the average consumption for those drives. It's that simple.
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Re: What are my option to upgrade 24kwh battery on Leaf 2015

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:46 pm

In all three of our regular routes the last couple kilometres are slightly downhill. That probably affects it. But our longer 110 to 135 ish kilometre trip we do every second week is probably 50 percent at 95 ish kmh. Maybe 10 percent at 110 kmh and the rest at 60 to 80 kmh. It’s upsey downsey (British Columbia) but a pretty low energy consumption drive all things considered. Even an almost 4 year old Leaf gets close to 200 km range under those conditions.
2015 Smart Electric Drive convertible.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh
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