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Re: Experience after 2 months

Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:09 am

GeekEV wrote:
PHx wrote:The back window is small, so the rear view mirror is practically useless. The mirror is also annoying low, blocking vision to the upper-right.
It's not the back window that's the problem, it's the rear seat headrests. They're huge. Remove them and you'll get TONS of rear visibility...
Easier to fold the seat, how often do you carry passengers in the rear seat?. I never worry about a rear view mirror (side mirrors are important), keep an eye on whats in front of you.

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Re: Experience after 2 months

Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:16 pm

trentr wrote:
smkettner wrote:The whole center console could have been storage or open space. Just give me five buttons P, R, N, D, E
I thought about the buttons, but then that means I will actually look at the buttons before pressing. The shifter becomes second nature, just shift without looking at it like a stick shift.
I definitely want more storage space in the center console, and yes, the shifter is a huge space waster. Car makers started putting it there way back in the days of mechanical shifters because that was where the transmission was (with rear wheel drive). Steering column mounted shifters used to have problems with sloppy linkages. Now the shifter can go anywhere, and I think the Prius has the perfect answer; mount it on the dash. Your hand is close by on the steering wheel and you can shift without looking.

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Re: Experience after 2 months

Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:08 pm

PHx wrote:7. The drive selector is crazy. I like the shape. But, it's opposite of a stick shift in that "reverse" is forward, and "drive" is backwards. PH
The layout of the PRND is regulated by our federal government. The regulation is FMVSS102. The LEAF's shift arrangement has to be the same as an A/T in an ICE vehicle -- same thing for Prius and anyone else.

I also like the idea of push-buttons, but do like being able to "downhsift" going downhill or using regen in ECO to slow down. That would not be easy or as satisfying with push-buttons, like the Tesla Roadster has. You do not want to be looking for a button when driving hard.
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Re: Experience after 2 months

Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:58 am

4. Comfort is reasonable. My own personal taste is that I find the front seats to have poor lumbar support. Also, the head rest protrudes too far forward, putting me into a hunched position. I solved the latter by turning the head rest around. Front leg room is great and the seat can be positioned comfortably high.
I totally agree with this point and did the same with the headrest.

The really disappointing part of this is that Nissan cars generally have extremely comfortable seating -- it's what turned me onto the LEAF in the first place. And, the demo cars did actually seem to have decent lumbar support.

Has anyone looked into replacement seats? It's a shame to even have to think about that given the cost of the car, but I drive enough miles in it and have enough back issues that I think I'm going to have to do it.
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Re: Experience after 2 months

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:25 am

kovalb wrote:
PHx wrote:7. The drive selector is crazy. I like the shape. But, it's opposite of a stick shift in that "reverse" is forward, and "drive" is backwards. PH
The layout of the PRND is regulated by our federal government. The regulation is FMVSS102. The LEAF's shift arrangement has to be the same as an A/T in an ICE vehicle -- same thing for Prius and anyone else.

I also like the idea of push-buttons, but do like being able to "downhsift" going downhill or using regen in ECO to slow down. That would not be easy or as satisfying with push-buttons, like the Tesla Roadster has. You do not want to be looking for a button when driving hard.

Actually, no. FMVSS102 doesn't specify whether drive is a "pull back" or "push forward". That appears to be a design decision. They do have to display what's what though..
S3.1.4 Identification of shift positions and of shift position sequence.
A neutral is required:
S3.1.1 Location of transmission shift positions on passenger cars. A neutral position shall be located between forward drive and reverse drive positions.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulati ... eg=571.102

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Re: Experience after 2 months

Tue May 29, 2012 8:41 am

Devin wrote:
mdh wrote:The felt on the door armrest is really a bad choice.
+1!!!

After two months they're getting grungy. I'm pretty good about keeping my hands clean but one hazard of EV driving is that immediately before I get in the car I coil up the charge cord which has been sitting on the ground so my hands get dirty. Looking forward to getting leather.
Getting leather?

Aftermarket or ??? I just picked up my 2012 LEAF and there was no leather option, was there?

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Re: Experience after 2 months

Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:54 am

Havent had the car for more than 4 weeks now. I enjoy every second of the car. I get my L2 installed tomorrow, very excited for this so i can enjoy the car more than 1 50mile trip per day as the supplied L1 charger takes a while....

I can agree with the door and center console armrests are not the best. The center console should of had a sliding armrest ontop of being leather wrapped. I can see the cloth needing to be cleaned and wearing down with constant usage. The door armrests should of been plastic or leather wrapped as well. I see there are companies doing the doors. That might be an option in the future. Other than that. I cant see anything else id change. I feel the car is quite sound and a perfect small family size vehicle to commute and travel locally (until L3's on the east coast flourish)
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Re: Experience after 2 months

Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:44 am

planet4ever wrote:
EricBayArea wrote:It is interesting how a lot of reviewers mention what you pointed out in #7 about the shifter. I have test driven a Leaf twice and it felt pretty intuitive to me. I notice that it matches the Toyota controls where Reverse is a push forward and Drive is a pull backwards. I also think that it is meant to mimic a traditional automatic where Reverse is a push forward of Park and Drive is a pull back from Park.

For those that drive a VW, BMW or other similar manual transmissions, reverse is up... but so is 1st I suppose ;)
Yes, it works exactly like the Prius, including the lever moving back to a "home" position. I'll admit that it took me a while to get used to that when I got my Prius 7 years ago, but it has long been second nature. [Well, it's not exactly like the Prius, which also has a "B" position. I really wish Nissan had done the same thing for ECO instead of having to shift twice to get there.]

The three-speed stick shifts I remember (from back in the day when only performance cars had four-speed transmissions) had reverse up and 1st down.
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+1 on this. if you notice, the shifter direction is the same as your body momentum on the direction the car is going. iow; you shift to reverse by pushing forward which is the same way your body leans when driving backwards? its the typical way of things.




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Re: Experience after 2 months

Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:02 pm

My nissan has the same shift set up and my car is not a Hybrid, I think it's a nissan feature.

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Re: Experience after 2 months

Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:43 am

essaunders wrote:A neutral is required:
S3.1.1 Location of transmission shift positions on passenger cars. A neutral position shall be located between forward drive and reverse drive positions.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulati ... eg=571.102
Old rules for old technology. If I read it correctly, this item applies to an automatic transmission, which the Leaf arguably does not have.

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