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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:45 am

evchels wrote:Hi all,

I've gone through the threads related to the battery warranty and town hall meeting, updated the list of questions, and pasted below (also sent to Nissan).
Thanks for compiling this list, Chelsea! Here are a couple of additions/comments:
evchels wrote:7. The 12v battery goes dead if the car is stored for an extended period while plugged in; car won’t not start. Is this going to fixed in the future such that the 12v battery will be kept topped off while plugged in either on 2011/2012 models or going forward with 2013 model?
To me this is more than a "will not start" issue. There are two related issues:

- Premature battery failure. Since the batteries are not maintained "topped off, they appear to be failing much more quickly than a typical automotive lead-acid battery should. In cool climates, I would expect a 7-year life from an automotive 12V battery. It seems like we may be getting less than three in the LEAF, some much less than three.
- Safety. There was one report that a LEAF experienced the brake pedal dropping to the floor while sitting on an incline and nearly running over some children. The problem was diagnosed by the dealer to be due to a bad 12V battery. Apparently communications on the CAN busses are unreliable below about 11V, leading to unpredictable behavior. If you combine this issue with poor battery management, there is a possibility of someone eventually getting hurt.
evchels wrote:For larger advisory board:
One question that I would like answered applies to LEAF owners like me (or prospective owners) who do not put many miles on their car each year, but would still like to drive it many miles before having to replace the battery. Unfortunately, most/all guidance for battery life seems to be focused around the 12,500 miles/year usage range. It gets very hard to know how many years are possible in a cool climate for a 5000 miles/year LEAF. Is there some guidance that Nissan can provide for potential low-mileage LEAF owners to help us have an idea what to expect? Is it possible to get 15 years to 30% degradation? 20? Or is 10 years the outside limit for the LEAF? Perhaps the electronics are expected to fail at 12 years or some such? Or perhaps Nissan simply does not know?
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:00 pm

I have two questions.
1. Does Nissan allow owner to use 3rd party bigger capacity replacement battery?
2. Will 2011 model get some of new software improvement for 2013 model like new re-gen algorithm?

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:26 pm

Will Nissan be providing incentives for lessors to buy their cars coming off lease, such as a discounted battery replacement? Otherwise why would a lessor buy out their lease since in most cases, the buyout price is going to be higher than the value of the car?

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:55 pm

Thanks for compiling this list, Chelsea.

> 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?

By Quick Charger do you mean Chademo or a faster L2 charger? More to the point, will the 2013 model have a 6.6 kW charger? I really hope so!
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:06 pm

rborba wrote:Thanks for compiling this list, Chelsea.

> 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?

By Quick Charger do you mean Chademo or a faster L2 charger? More to the point, will the 2013 model have a 6.6 kW charger? I really hope so!
I can't believe this is still a question. We have known in the LEAF community since at least last Dec 3, 2011 that the 2013 USA specification (and presumably Canada) would have an optional 6.6kW charger. This came DIRECTLY from Nissan (specifically Mark Perry) at a meeting with over a dozen Nissan execs and over 100 LEAF owners in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Lets not waste precious and valuable time with what we DO know, and get answers to what we don't know.

I hope all is well up there!!!

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:13 pm

IMHO, there should be no such thing as a "dumb" question. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge, and it is great to see folks eager to participate. Of course, not all questions need to be passed along to Nissan. ;-)
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:03 pm

Good luck to you all at the meeting Tues.

I hope the conversation goes better than this......




I like the bit about "You must expect teething troubles with these new models"
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:10 pm

JPWhite wrote:Good luck to you all at the meeting Tues.

I hope the conversation goes better than this......




I like the bit about "You must expect teething troubles with these new models"

That's quality British engineering, that's what that is!

Thanks, JP, I hadn't seen this one.
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:39 pm

abasile wrote:IMHO, there should be no such thing as a "dumb" question. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge, and it is great to see folks eager to participate. Of course, not all questions need to be passed along to Nissan. ;-)
I didn't say it was a dumb question; clearly that poster does not know. My comments are directed at premium time spent on questions that the greater LEAF community already have the answer to.

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:08 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
abasile wrote:IMHO, there should be no such thing as a "dumb" question. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge, and it is great to see folks eager to participate. Of course, not all questions need to be passed along to Nissan. ;-)
I didn't say it was a dumb question; clearly that poster does not know. My comments are directed at premium time spent on questions that the greater LEAF community already have the answer to.
No offense taken. I didn't know about this meeting and given the amount of uncertainty still surrounding this subject, with many referring to it as hints, suspicions, hopes and rumors, I thought it was still up in the air. I guess this is a mute point for Tuesday anyway since a 2013 Leaf will be on display and you'll be able to see the charger for yourself.

I found this article which seems to refer to the meeting Tony mentioned, although not explicitly:

http://www.plugincars.com/2013-nissan-l ... 19180.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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