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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:19 pm

rborba wrote:No offense taken. I didn't know about this meeting and given the amount of uncertainty still surrounding this subject, with many referring to it as hints, suspicions, hopes and rumors, I thought it was still up in the air. I guess this is a mute point for Tuesday anyway since a 2013 Leaf will be on display and you'll be able to see the charger for yourself.

I found this article which seems to refer to the meeting Tony mentioned, although not explicitly:

http://www.plugincars.com/2013-nissan-l ... 19180.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If we go by the guess work done here, the sky is the limit. We still have folks thinking there will be a bigger / better battery, even after the number two guy at Nissan explicitly stated otherwise. It won't have a bigger or better battery. It will be cheaper for Nissan to produce, however.

And it will have an optional 6.6 charger.

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:07 am

Very good list of questions, Chelsea.
One thing missing is the issue of low speed "Grabby Brakes".
See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=130" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Although NTB 12-086 does seem a bit better, I and several others still consider the low speed braking and/or excessive built in motor controller "creep", to be something that needs further review and improvement by Nissan.

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:52 am

evchels wrote: 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?
Just as a piece of background data related to this question, I was told last week (by a reliable member of this forum who is a LEAF sales specialist in the LA area) that "Nissan" is in the process of installing QC units at 20 dealers in the Los Angeles area. He did not state if "Nissan" was the Nissan Corporation or a collaboration of local dealers, but he did say that a detailed survey of their dealership had just been completed for location and electrical work. He offered no info on the method of payment, if any, or the projected completion date, but he implied operation in months, not years. It would be great if this was the start of new corporate direction.
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:45 am

HighDesertDriver wrote:
evchels wrote: 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?
Just as a piece of background data related to this question, I was told last week (by a reliable member of this forum who is a LEAF sales specialist in the LA area) that "Nissan" is in the process of installing QC units at 20 dealers in the Los Angeles area. He did not state if "Nissan" was the Nissan Corporation or a collaboration of local dealers, but he did say that a detailed survey of their dealership had just been completed for location and electrical work. He offered no info on the method of payment, if any, or the projected completion date, but he implied operation in months, not years. It would be great if this was the start of new corporate direction.
I'll guess that was from Paul Scott.

I'm not aware of anything Nissan is "installing", nor do I know of many that likely to be at dealerships (in California, I don't know of a SINGLE Nissan funded project at a dealership). Of course, there is a chance that he knows something additional that I don't about these awards and where they go.

The funding is from California Energy Commission (CEC) money. In addition, Nissan is subsidizing $10,000 per charger for sales through AeroVironment, but that has nothing to do with the CEC money. Unfortunately, the price of the chargers are now $25,000 (I've actually seen the quote in my hands), which leaves a $15,000 net price). The stripped down charger model for $10,000 that everybody wanted to believe Nissan would sell has, much like a 100 mile LEAF, wilted.

Anyway, Google is your friend. Some of these WILL be Sumitomo built "Nissan" DC chargers:

http://www.energy.ca.gov/contracts/transportation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:08 pm

evchels wrote: 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?
For those of us in Rural Arizona, and rural in other states, and far away from many public chargers, can Nissan executives offer any thoughts as to what can or should be done to move things along, as far as installing public charging both inter-city and intra-city? A few inter-twined thoughts here:

- If there are absolutely no public charge stations available to us, what can we do to step up the pace of introduction, on the road to the city, and within our communities. It doesn't presently seem to be Nissan's line of work to run a charging network, but the availability of a good public charging network directly affects our Leaf ownership experience, and maybe NIssan has come up with some ideas?

- I don't quite understand the role of dealers in providing charging. Do they? The one where I leased my Leaf, I have seen it on the map, but they're closed at least one of the weekend days, and so every time I"ve driven by the charger has not been available (to my knowledge). There is another dealer in a town in the next county where there are few if any public chargers The Nissan dealer there doesn't sell Leafs.... I think they are amenable to L1 charge, I've heard.

Well, I'm sure there's a lot I don't know here, but the basic question/theme is just to ask if they have any thoughts or can recommend any further pathways for us to stump for charging in our community, and inter-community, aside from stumping directly with Blink or Chargepoint or the like.
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:17 pm

jlsoaz wrote:
evchels wrote: 1. What is status of Nissan’s Quick Charger plans?
For those of us in Rural Arizona, and rural in other states, and far away from many public chargers, can Nissan executives offer any thoughts as to what can or should be done to move things along, as far as installing public charging both inter-city and intra-city?...snip....
+1

I need a DCQC at the dealerships in Yakima and Sunnyside (Eastern WA State), where they aren't yet approved to sell the Leaf. :cry:
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:46 pm

TonyWilliams wrote: http://www.energy.ca.gov/contracts/transportation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tony, is $130k a reasonable price?

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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:18 pm

I haven’t seen anyone suggest the the basic questions that must, IMO, precede all others on the subject of the battery capacity and warranty.

If these questions are left off of the official list, I hope someone at the meeting will be given (and take) the opportunity to ask them.

1) Is the proportion of the total LEAF battery capacity we can access between ”100%“ charge and the various low battery warnings constant, or does it vary significantly?

2) Are the kWh use reports from Carwings and available from the dash and navscreen as m/kWh subject to the same high level of error as the battery capacity bars and aftermarket SOC and ”gid” meters seem to be?

Without knowing the answers to these questions, LEAF owners and lessees would seem to have no way to independently determine whether our battery capacity is at the stated “70%” warranty level, or for that matter, at any other.

And if Nissan answers that our LEAFs' energy use reports are now commonly and significantly in error, ask:

3) When can we expect repairs to bring our LEAFs' energy use reports to at a reasonable level of accuracy?
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:46 pm

edatoakrun wrote:I haven’t seen anyone suggest the the basic questions that must, IMO, precede all others on the subject of the battery capacity and warranty.

If these questions are left off of the official list, I hope someone at the meeting will be given (and take) the opportunity to ask them.

1) Is the proportion of the total LEAF battery capacity we can access between ”100%“ charge and the various low battery warnings constant, or does it vary significantly?

2) Are the kWh use reports from Carwings and available from the dash and navscreen as m/kWh subject to the same high level of error as the battery capacity bars and aftermarket SOC and ”gid” meters seem to be?

Without knowing the answers to these questions, LEAF owners and lessees would seem to have no way to independently determine whether our battery capacity is at the stated “70%” warranty level, or for that matter, at any other.

And if Nissan answers that our LEAFs' energy use reports are now commonly and significantly in error, ask:

3) When can we expect repairs to bring our LEAFs' energy use reports to at a reasonable level of accuracy?
1. Definitely constant. LBW is always 17.4%, VLBW is always 8.5%, and Turtle is 1.4% going slowly and 2.4% going 40mph or so.

2. I can't speak for other drivers, but my m/kW h on the dash is very accurate, within 3-4 miles. Maybe it's because I never had any updates done.
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Re: Questions for Jan 8th Town Hall Mtg in AZ

Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:20 am

I don't expect this question to be incorporated, as it is late, but with respect to viewing and discussing the Model Year 2013 model, I find myself wondering as to how Nissan will respond to competition over the next few years, particularly the ones that are really good. To have an example at hand, what if Tesla actually succeeds in their "bluestar" model, even if the price is higher than $30k?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_BlueStar" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm assuming or hoping that Nissan is engaged in some process of continuous engineer or relatively steady improvements so they will have answers in a few years.
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