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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:24 pm

smkettner wrote:I would be fine with $8,000...
I would be too, if it lasted 10 years in hot climate on a high mileage vehicle. But it doesn't and it won't.

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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:39 pm

TomT wrote:So what do you think a reasonable price for a replacement battery is? $199.95?
Although I was with the majority that would have liked the battery price to be less than 1/2 my savings on gasoline, that is clearly completely unrealistic.
I've felt that the best most "reasonable" price that Nissan would ever offer with trade in of the existing battery and including swap out would be $300 per kWh; total of $7,200.
They have absolutely got to get the price to that level for electric vehicle to be competitive with ICE, even with the current federal $7,500 credit.
And in my situation of low miles per year it will still be slightly more costly than driving a 4 cylinder Altima.
And that is completely disregarding value of the LEAF vs ICE after +10 years of ownership. The LEAF is like all new cutting edge products, its used value is dropping like a rock. $34,800 MSRP (paid $34,000); currently at best worth around $16,500, after only owning for 27 months. On a Nissan trade-in and with Nissan's paltry $1,000 loyalty program you might get $18,250.
Hard to know what Nissan's real battery price is now, or will be in two or three years.
The new "Hot" chemistry appears they may expect at least 5 year life even in Phoenix.
At $100 per month rental, if the average life they get between replacements is eight years, that is $9,600. And with my low miles per year, that will be > 17 cents per mile just for the battery rental. So I won't be doing that.

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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:45 pm

Andy indicated last night that Nissan has no interest in making a profit on the replacement of batteries... They feel they will loose money on the early side of the replacement or lease curve, in fact.
smkettner wrote:Just don't gouge us on the price.
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:48 pm

It sounds like some So Cal folks made the trek to Phoenix...

I take it that this meeting wasn't taped/filmed? Was it in a similar style to the 1st Phoenix town hall? Hopefully Andy and company got to experience the Phoenix heat...

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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:53 pm

No, it was a small invitation-only dinner meeting with some Leaf drivers from Phoenix and few from out of town, and with some specific talking points on the agenda. Ironically, it was cooler in Phoenix today (about 15 degrees below normal) that is was in the San Fernando Valley in CA.
cwerdna wrote:It sounds like some So Cal folks made the trek to Phoenix... I take it that this meeting wasn't taped/filmed? Was it in a similar style to the 1st Phoenix town hall? Hopefully Andy and company got to experience the Phoenix heat...
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:55 pm

TomT wrote:Actually, the proceedings where quite cordial, respectful, and civil...
Tom, it's good to see that you were invited and participated last night.

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Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:06 pm

I was very honored and privileged to have been invited to attend! I felt it was worthwhile and enjoyed participating and interacting with everyone there. I believe that everyone on both sides left with some good food for thought.
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TomT wrote:Actually, the proceedings where quite cordial, respectful, and civil...
Tom, it's good to see that you were invited and participated last night.
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:09 pm

TomT wrote:I was very honored and privileged to have been invited to attend! I felt it was worthwhile and enjoyed participating and interacting with everyone there. I believe that everyone on both sides left with some good food for thought.
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Excellent, very good to hear! There was a separate meeting with the local group at NRC-SV in Sunnyvale, but the topic was quite different. It would be good to exchange notes sometime.

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Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:30 pm

smkettner wrote:I would be fine with $8,000. At least make it available. The lower the cost the sooner I would replace. Nothing wrong with prices dropping over time as plenty of other products have done the same. People have no regrets about paying $10,000 for the first plasma tvs. They just keep selling more as the price drops.
People CAN handle the truth. Just don't gouge us on the price. There are alternatives. If Nissan thinks they are the only game in town they are sorely mistaken.
My thoughts exactly.
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:47 pm

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drees wrote:Doubling the durability of the battery is a good start - but IMO the LEAF still needs more range if Nissan wants to push more volume for a couple reasons. A good target is 100+ miles at 65 mph (or 100 mile EPA range) or about 30 kWh battery instead of 24 kWh. 100 miles is one of those tipping points where one gets to the point of diminishing returns. Not only that, but 10 years down the road when that battery is down 25% capacity, it's still very useful and about as good as a new LEAF today. Even better would be to target 100 miles at EOL, but that's going to take close to 40 kWh.
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Great comment. While completely understandable, I too find it disappointing that most car makers settle for about 80 miles of real-world EV range today. Adding 6 to 10 kWh would not carry a huge weight or price penalty, but it could have a significant impact on sales. Especially, if this was offered as on option, much like what Tesla initially did with their 40, 60 and 85 kWh battery pack configuration.
The option of 3 different battery pack sizes would broaden the market for the LEAF, no doubt about it.

Driving electric is addictive. No way do I want to go back to driving a gas guzzler again. Give us the option to buy more range in a LEAF.
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