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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:02 pm

Valdemar wrote:I came to conclusion that my babying the battery during two first years of ownership is not going to serve me well. It likely helped to slow down capacity loss somewhat, and now there is a good chance I may not lose 4 bars before 60k on the odometer, but it will come close. Had I always charged to 100%, not used end of charge timer, let the car sit fully charged in the heat I would end up with a brand spanking new "hot pack" for free, but now I'm looking at a $100/mo lease. Needless to say that I'm pissed.
Can't you just do some "non-babying" charging and driving to make up for it?
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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:06 pm

scottf200 wrote:
Valdemar wrote:I came to conclusion that my babying the battery during two first years of ownership is not going to serve me well. It likely helped to slow down capacity loss somewhat, and now there is a good chance I may not lose 4 bars before 60k on the odometer, but it will come close. Had I always charged to 100%, not used end of charge timer, let the car sit fully charged in the heat I would end up with a brand spanking new "hot pack" for free, but now I'm looking at a $100/mo lease. Needless to say that I'm pissed.
Can't you just do some "non-babying" charging and driving to make up for it?
That is the plan, it is just it seems wrong and even then I may not get down to 8 bars in time without major abuse.
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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:06 pm

I came away really impressed with the meeting. Everybody was cordial with each other, and there was opportunity to address questions as a group and also one-on-one with Nissan executives. I believe that they will take and consider our suggestions/comments.

I was glad that we heard months ago about the 60K Battery Warranty, but this meeting confirmed that this wasn't the end of the story, and Nissan was working to improving the technology where it needed it the most.
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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:14 pm

Valdemar wrote: That is the plan, it is just it seems wrong and even then I may not get down to 8 bars in time without major abuse.
I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.

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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:11 pm

surfingslovak wrote:
Valdemar wrote: That is the plan, it is just it seems wrong and even then I may not get down to 8 bars in time without major abuse.
I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.
+1
Just like some of those early $10,000 plasma TVs had major deficiencies and experienced burn-in problems, we now know the 2011 / 2012 LEAF battery is first generation chemistry, 2013 is a bit better second generation chemistry, and 2014 (at least at some point in 2014 cycle) will be markedly improved much more heat tolerant chemistry.
If you live where the 2011 / 2012 battery dies soon enough due to use or temperature or abuse, maybe you get a nice new third generation heat tolerant brand new battery.
If you don't, you have a first generation LEAF with battery degraded sooner than what Nissan said would likely happen. A lot like a $10,000 plasma with bad burn in.
But you've got a SYB $100 per month battery rental option!! ;) :( :o :shock: :?

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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:42 pm

Thanks to all those that reported on the meeting with Nissan! :D :D :D
A lot of great people on MNL. :D :D :D

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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:17 pm

TimLee wrote:Thanks to all those that reported on the meeting with Nissan! :D :D :D
A lot of great people on MNL. :D :D :D

is nissan going to give a report or answer queries?
all of this is very third hand.
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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:58 pm

surfingslovak wrote: I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.
+2

Even two bars is a lot of range to lose, especially for someone who based the purchase on a commute that is 90% of the range of a new LEAF, with no warning from Nissan about significant potential loss of range within the first two to three years.
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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:44 pm

Boomer23 wrote:
surfingslovak wrote:I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.
+2

Even two bars is a lot of range to lose, especially for someone who based the purchase on a commute that is 90% of the range of a new LEAF, with no warning from Nissan about significant potential loss of range within the first two to three years.
+3
I haven't even lost a bar (though I'm close) and I feel like I've lost a lot of range (all updates applied). But simply knowing I could buy a replacement at some price would buy some peace of mind. An eternal rental simply does not do it for me, even though it very well could be a better deal.

For example, I drove 58 miles today mostly freeway at 65 mph. Should be easy, no? After all, a new car will do at least 80 miles under these conditions and back when it was 6 months old I did over 70 miles before LBW in similar conditions.

Got home with an indicated 4.3 mi/kWh just after LBW (43 GIDs), so it sure seems like I've lost 12 miles off of my original 70 mile freeway range which is between 15-20% loss of usable capacity.

And no, I don't live in a hot climate and the car is only 2 years old with a typical amount of miles for it's age. Yet it's showing range loss I didn't expect for another 3 years based on what Nissan said to expect (20% after 5 years, 30% after 8 years) given that I follow good battery care practice by using an end-only timer for 80% and only occasionally charge to 100% and when I do I start driving immediately after it's done charging.

I suspect that some of the discrepancy is gauge error and it's possible that some additional range is hidden between LBW and Turtle. And while I otherwise enjoy the car (though I wish it had another 25% more power along with range), I have to add the caveat that you shouldn't expect to drive more than 60 miles on the freeway (and that number has been declining along with my battery capacity) - since I doubt that many people have the patience to drive that slow - even at 65 mph I was nearly always the slowest car on the road. In fact - I can't even remember passing anyone except for the occasional truck.

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Re: Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 L

Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:11 am

KJD wrote:
BBrockman wrote: I'm still here, and do plan to provide some updates on a number of topics from the information discussed this evening.
Thank you letting us know that you are still here.

Will your update be some time today, some time tomorrow or some time in the spring ?
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