"Until it's obsolete" LMAO
Confession; I was seriously shopping (I always do) when it came time to change cars but I did not find a Tesla option anywhere near as cheap as what I paid for. My cash price was under $26,000 and was complicated by the fact I was turning in a lease that still had 16 payments left. Granted, it was an S.GaleHawkins wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:23 pmSadly Nissan dealerships lack of excitement has not helped things in the USA. I was actually told at one dealership that buying back my car would be as cheap for Nissan as it was to replace the battery. I have decided the low end Tesla is a lot more car than a high end Leaf. There is no price difference. I have been driving Nissan since 1973 but I am starting to read Nissan had a lot of loss motion at the top that may lead it its death. If they could only have had a CEO with the brains and foresight of Elon Musk. Hopefully Nissan will find a way forward but your posts shows they have wasted a lot of good will of EV buyers.Eyeresearch wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:02 pmMy patience wore thin with excuse after excuse from Nissan and I made the jump to Tesla and glad I did. With the Nationwide Super Charging Network and the new Version 3 charging system coming online as I type my charge times will be cut in half on average down to 20 minutes on a cross country trip (250kwh speeds). Check out https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and see what is waiting for you. And it keeps getting better and with the acquisition of Maxwell Technologies, it's only going to get better, like a Million Mile Battery Life better. No more range anxiety, a thing of the past.
The Model 3 is great and we have our name in the hat for the CyberTruck, with 0 to 60 in 2.9, sweet.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_u ... 3b6f77be44
Same here.DaveinOlyWA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:24 am
As always degradation is an issue but how far down the road will it become "the issue?" Because I didn't get this car to last 20 years. 5-7 is about all I will put up with it for. Technology in the auto world is moving faster now than at anytime in our history. I will be upgrading.
"If we have a certain level of confidence we could go somewhere and plug in, it would be a completely different ballgame."DaveinOlyWA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:45 amWon't be fatal but the lackluster reaction to market forces will be telling. Like the Prius, eventually manufacturers will come around to the fact that the technology provides something people want. For the Prius, it was high gas mileage. For EVs, it will be not going to the gas station.WetEV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:31 pmGM limited market share to avoid anti-trust action in the 1950's and 1960's. GM had a nearly 50% market share. Antitrust case was started in the 1960's, but then Toyota and others started winning.GaleHawkins wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:08 pmWhat car companies have ever been proven in court to be a monopoly? I know about Standard Oil and the phone companies being declared monopolies but I can not recall any car company. It could be decades before all EV's made can't find buyers. I think it shows a lack of interest that no EV makers have come out with an EV that matches the range of what Tesla was selling as 2012 Model S.
EV production and sales has been and is likely to roughly double every 2-3 years. So roughly 10 to 15 years out, if Tesla maintains market share of EVs, Tesla will top GM's market share.
Lack of interest can be fatal.
I know people will argue the charging times hold us back and that would be wrong. It is the inadequate charging network holding us back. If we have a certain level of confidence we could go somewhere and plug in, it would be a completely different ballgame.
Agree with everything you said EXCEPT SC advantage. We are light years behind them and the gap is growing. Tesla has not rested on any laurels from day one and that will continue. The rest of us have seen public charging start slowly, spend years at one level before providing any improvement and only a DOJ settlement has changed anything. What happens when the settlement runs its course?DougWantsALeaf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:40 amYep, it’s an 8-15k price difference between the M3 SR+ and the Leaf Plus for similar utility. If you were a coast to coast driver the LR 3,S, or X are still likely your best bets, but cost considerably more. If you like the Bolt better, given current discounts it’s the same balance. If you can get the Niro (not by us in Chicago) I haven’t seen the discounts to be as deep, but for base version still a bit cheaper.
In retrospect I still struggle whether it would have been either better to get either the SL or just the S vs the SV with tech. It was 2K more or 4.5K less. In any case the car has done fine in all scenarios I have needed it for this far. With the EA and new state fast charger programs in the mid west providing redundancy, the super charger advantage has already been nearly evaporated.
I saw a recent post on the Facebook Leaf owners site which documented a recent replacement of a 24 kwh battery (including installation) at $7.5 k by a Nissan dealer in the Phoenix area. Four pages back on this topic there was a discussion about Nissan moving to the 40 kwh battery as a replacement for the 30 kwh Leaf battery. There seems to be some additional relevant information in the "40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf" discussion thread.