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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:12 pm
by Eyeresearch
LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:58 pm
Equally likely, he will suggest that Nissan de-emphasize EVs and just sell the Leaf until it's obsolete.

"Until it's obsolete" LMAO

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:15 pm
by LeftieBiker
Eyeresearch wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:12 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:58 pm
Equally likely, he will suggest that Nissan de-emphasize EVs and just sell the Leaf until it's obsolete.

"Until it's obsolete" LMAO

The 75 mile range Leaf is obsolete. The 40 and 60kwh Leafs are not obsolete: they are unsuited for some driving needs - especially the 40kwh. That car suits me fine, however. Your reality may vary.

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:24 am
by DaveinOlyWA
GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:23 pm
Eyeresearch wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:02 pm
My patience wore thin with excuse after excuse from Nissan and I made the jump to Tesla and glad I did. With the Nationwide Super Charging Network and the new Version 3 charging system coming online as I type my charge times will be cut in half on average down to 20 minutes on a cross country trip (250kwh speeds). Check out https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and see what is waiting for you. And it keeps getting better and with the acquisition of Maxwell Technologies, it's only going to get better, like a Million Mile Battery Life better. No more range anxiety, a thing of the past.

The Model 3 is great and we have our name in the hat for the CyberTruck, with 0 to 60 in 2.9, sweet.



https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_u ... 3b6f77be44
Sadly Nissan dealerships lack of excitement has not helped things in the USA. I was actually told at one dealership that buying back my car would be as cheap for Nissan as it was to replace the battery. I have decided the low end Tesla is a lot more car than a high end Leaf. There is no price difference. I have been driving Nissan since 1973 but I am starting to read Nissan had a lot of loss motion at the top that may lead it its death. If they could only have had a CEO with the brains and foresight of Elon Musk. Hopefully Nissan will find a way forward but your posts shows they have wasted a lot of good will of EV buyers.
Confession; I was seriously shopping (I always do) when it came time to change cars but I did not find a Tesla option anywhere near as cheap as what I paid for. My cash price was under $26,000 and was complicated by the fact I was turning in a lease that still had 16 payments left. Granted, it was an S.

So yeah, less car and STILL less money. I considered road trip worthiness and simply decided I didn't do enough road trips to justify the much higher cost especially when it covered 99.9% of my day to day. Not sure what circumstances the .1% includes but don't want to be too optimistic.

As always degradation is an issue but how far down the road will it become "the issue?" Because I didn't get this car to last 20 years. 5-7 is about all I will put up with it for. Technology in the auto world is moving faster now than at anytime in our history. I will be upgrading.

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:08 am
by danrjones
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:24 am

As always degradation is an issue but how far down the road will it become "the issue?" Because I didn't get this car to last 20 years. 5-7 is about all I will put up with it for. Technology in the auto world is moving faster now than at anytime in our history. I will be upgrading.
Same here.

I am nearly certain degradation is going to be an issue where I live but for the price, and for my needs, my leaf will be fine. I'm only using in town so even with 30% degradation I will be fine, and if that happens too quickly, Nissan will have to honor its warranty. Now if I had really paid 37k for it (vice 15,500) I would probably be a lot more upset that I'm down ~9%. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to track it. Of course I'm going to track and report on it.

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:40 am
by DougWantsALeaf
Yep, it’s an 8-15k price difference between the M3 SR+ and the Leaf Plus for similar utility. If you were a coast to coast driver the LR 3,S, or X are still likely your best bets, but cost considerably more. If you like the Bolt better, given current discounts it’s the same balance. If you can get the Niro (not by us in Chicago) I haven’t seen the discounts to be as deep, but for base version still a bit cheaper.

In retrospect I still struggle whether it would have been either better to get either the SL or just the S vs the SV with tech. It was 2K more or 4.5K less. In any case the car has done fine in all scenarios I have needed it for this far. With the EA and new state fast charger programs in the mid west providing redundancy, the super charger advantage has already been nearly evaporated.

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:42 am
by Eyeresearch
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:45 am
WetEV wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:31 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:08 pm
What car companies have ever been proven in court to be a monopoly? I know about Standard Oil and the phone companies being declared monopolies but I can not recall any car company. It could be decades before all EV's made can't find buyers. I think it shows a lack of interest that no EV makers have come out with an EV that matches the range of what Tesla was selling as 2012 Model S.
GM limited market share to avoid anti-trust action in the 1950's and 1960's. GM had a nearly 50% market share. Antitrust case was started in the 1960's, but then Toyota and others started winning.

EV production and sales has been and is likely to roughly double every 2-3 years. So roughly 10 to 15 years out, if Tesla maintains market share of EVs, Tesla will top GM's market share.

Lack of interest can be fatal.
Won't be fatal but the lackluster reaction to market forces will be telling. Like the Prius, eventually manufacturers will come around to the fact that the technology provides something people want. For the Prius, it was high gas mileage. For EVs, it will be not going to the gas station.

I know people will argue the charging times hold us back and that would be wrong. It is the inadequate charging network holding us back. If we have a certain level of confidence we could go somewhere and plug in, it would be a completely different ballgame.
"If we have a certain level of confidence we could go somewhere and plug in, it would be a completely different ballgame."
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_o_ZQ2LQ3w

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:50 am
by DaveinOlyWA
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:40 am
Yep, it’s an 8-15k price difference between the M3 SR+ and the Leaf Plus for similar utility. If you were a coast to coast driver the LR 3,S, or X are still likely your best bets, but cost considerably more. If you like the Bolt better, given current discounts it’s the same balance. If you can get the Niro (not by us in Chicago) I haven’t seen the discounts to be as deep, but for base version still a bit cheaper.

In retrospect I still struggle whether it would have been either better to get either the SL or just the S vs the SV with tech. It was 2K more or 4.5K less. In any case the car has done fine in all scenarios I have needed it for this far. With the EA and new state fast charger programs in the mid west providing redundancy, the super charger advantage has already been nearly evaporated.
Agree with everything you said EXCEPT SC advantage. We are light years behind them and the gap is growing. Tesla has not rested on any laurels from day one and that will continue. The rest of us have seen public charging start slowly, spend years at one level before providing any improvement and only a DOJ settlement has changed anything. What happens when the settlement runs its course?

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:14 pm
by fotajoye
Can anyone confirm the price of a replacement 24 kW(h) pack at $5.5k and a 40 kW(h) at $9.5k?

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:40 pm
by GaleHawkins
fotajoye wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:14 pm
Can anyone confirm the price of a replacement 24 kW(h) pack at $5.5k and a 40 kW(h) at $9.5k?
40 list is $12,500

Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:27 pm
by Dooglas
fotajoye wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:14 pm
Can anyone confirm the price of a replacement 24 kW(h) pack at $5.5k and a 40 kW(h) at $9.5k?
I saw a recent post on the Facebook Leaf owners site which documented a recent replacement of a 24 kwh battery (including installation) at $7.5 k by a Nissan dealer in the Phoenix area. Four pages back on this topic there was a discussion about Nissan moving to the 40 kwh battery as a replacement for the 30 kwh Leaf battery. There seems to be some additional relevant information in the "40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf" discussion thread.