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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:33 pm
fotajoye wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 6:03 pm
Don't know why Nissan doesn't just offer the 40kWh battery as a replacement for all their cars, inclusive of the 2011- 2020 MY? they would only need to maintain an inventory of two battery items, the 40 kWh and 62 kWh batteries. There is cost savings in not building obsolete items and maintaining a larger inventory, plus this would increase the value of their used products, leading to higher follow on sales.

Having said this, I'm afraid those of us hoping for a positive battery resolution from Nissan will continue to be disappointed.
You make good points. Until the Nissan Corp finds a way forward we will be in the dark I expect.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Wed May 13, 2020 6:14 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 am
Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
Keep those updates coming, because I see a battery pack (capacity) upgrade in my future. I have tried to stir interest in the Dallas area, but (surprisingly) haven't found any "takers" yet. Maybe the current environment will spur some "outside the box" thinking for auto repair shops and someone will take a bigger interest in EV mods/upgrades.

EDIT: the day after posting this I found a possible source/shop!
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu May 14, 2020 7:21 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:33 pm
fotajoye wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 6:03 pm
Don't know why Nissan doesn't just offer the 40kWh battery as a replacement for all their cars, inclusive of the 2011- 2020 MY? they would only need to maintain an inventory of two battery items, the 40 kWh and 62 kWh batteries. There is cost savings in not building obsolete items and maintaining a larger inventory, plus this would increase the value of their used products, leading to higher follow on sales.

Having said this, I'm afraid those of us hoping for a positive battery resolution from Nissan will continue to be disappointed.
You make good points. Until the Nissan Corp finds a way forward we will be in the dark I expect.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
I think pre COVID-19 your thoughts may have been valid. Time will tell.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu May 14, 2020 3:28 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 7:21 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:33 pm


You make good points. Until the Nissan Corp finds a way forward we will be in the dark I expect.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
I think pre COVID-19 your thoughts may have been valid. Time will tell.
You think Nissan will now make an option to delay new car purchases easier because of COVID?

That is an interesting theory.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu May 14, 2020 7:34 pm

Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
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I've been waiting for those who are converting old classic cars to electric to realize the Leaf is already nicely engineered to accomplish all that's needed for an EV...all the design problems have been solved; and, there are no costly surprises other than the battery pack. Just seems to me there should be aftermarket companies, other than Nissan, involved in refurbishing traction packs and developing higher ranges. There must be close to 1/2 million Leafs out there by now, and the number is growing. They all will need at least one replacement pack in their lifetime. That's a huge aftermarket.

The policy from Nissan that the Leaf is a throwaway and not supported after the first battery is poor management practice and dissolves any credibility they have from the buyers of their products. Nissan should be scrambling to satisfy the buyers who trusted them by buying their EVs.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon May 18, 2020 12:11 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 3:28 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 7:21 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 am


Don't hold your breath waiting for Nissan. There is finally an aftermarket movement addressing this very issue. One example. Since the blog post, 2 more have arisen as well

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
I think pre COVID-19 your thoughts may have been valid. Time will tell.
You think Nissan will now make an option to delay new car purchases easier because of COVID?

That is an interesting theory.
All I read is Nissan wants to come up with a plan to stay in business in the USA . A ton of the Nissan's sold at cost to car rental firms will be coming into the market. Nissan is still running ads trying to dump 2019 models including the 150 mile Leaf.

Third party Leaf battery sources I expect will be COVID-19 victims. Yes I fully expect our 2016 Leaf will be a throw a way car when our 2020 40 kWh battery fails.

Renault may may be the wildest wild card in Nissan's future.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:20 pm

Nissan has raised the prices again on their replacement Battery Packs. Nissan EV Customer Service no longer quotes battery pack prices via their 1.877.664.2738 but refers you to your Dealership for Battery Pack Prices:

24kWh w/o CW: 295B0-9RB9E $7691.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 9rb9e.html
24kWh w/ CW: 295B0-9RB9D $7691.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 9rb9d.html
30kWh w/o CW: 295B0-4NP9A Discontinued Product https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b04np9a
30kWh w/ CW: 295B0-4NP9B Discontinued Product https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b04np9b
40kWh : 295B0-5SA9C $11,231.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 5sa9c.html
($10,640.00 @ TASCAParts.com) https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b05sa9c
All seem to have a fixed $1000 core charge.
CW is Cold Weather Package
As usual non transparent business practices, Nissan does not display any 62kWh battery packs for sale. Daklein wrote: "If anyone has won the junkyard lottery, have you seen the p'n on a 62kwh pack? :o I don't really want to buy a 24 or 30 kWh pack by accident. :(" viewtopic.php?t=27600&start=140


GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:47 pm
dsh wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:53 am
Im the Phoenix class-action representative from the Nissan Leaf battery degradation class action lawsuit that was filed against Nissan and I still own my 2011 Nissan Leaf w/ 101,800 miles and am down 6 capacity bars on the second battery which was replaced under the capacity warranty. I just spoke to Nissan customer service and they lowered the price of their 24 kilowatt hour battery to approximately $5,495. They're 40 kilowatt battery is now $12,495. They are discontinuing the 30 kilowatt hour battery and replacing those cars batteries with their 40 kilowatt hour battery. They have still yet to announce this which is odd and they will not install a 40 kilowatt hour in a 24 kilowatt hour equipped car. I told them about Fenix Power and that Fenix power will be the best solution because your batteries with a small subscription price every month will be kept at maximum capacity and you'll always be at 12 capacity bars.. Can't Wait! :P
dsh do you know if the 40 kWh replacement will show a range of 150 miles or if they will just label that extra 10 kWh as battery reserve power with software and the full range will read the same 107 miles. Either way that is awesome news. Do you know if Nissan has found a design problem with the 30kWh battery causing premature failure? My failed it about 24K miles and in 38 months and showed a State Of Health of 63%. It was an off lease car so I really do not have detailed history. Leaf Spy Pro at about 22K miles reported 1 DC and 720 L1/L2 charges. From the external wear on the OEM L1 it may have been the main charger used to charge the car. It had lived in St. Louis MO when it was on lease.

The dealer has had our 2016 Leaf SL over a month now. To be clear they said they got a new Leaf diagnostic computer system a couple months ago but have not had a Leaf in the shop to learn how to use it. I mean they knew the battery was bad (8 bars now after the BMS update was ran in 2018) the first week they had it but I was willing for them use my car to train their techs. They did get a factory trainer out then an area rep to decide where to replace the battery I was told by phone yesterday.

The service writer was evasive when I asked if they had my new battery and he mention that something was mentioned about a buy back because a new battery from the warehouse was going to be $12,500 which until I read your post I thought was BS. My blood pressure shot up over the word "buy-back" and he must have heard my pulse through the phone because he said he was going to be working on this 24/7 to get me a battery. I said NO get sleep so you can work on the matter better. :)

I started my case through the National Leaf customer rep a couple months ago so I reached my contact today and mentioned about "buy-back" coming up and asked why. I was told if the techs found my battery was at 8 bars or less I would be getting a new battery since the BSM was ran in 2018 per the history data. I was told the buy-back was for major repairs that would take a long time and not a battery replacement on a used car. So Monday the servicing dealership service center is to be called by the national customer rep and I am to hear back by Wed that the battery replacement has been ordered.

Our Leaf only has 25K miles and it looks new like so I want to keep it so the national rep made me feel at ease and the 40 kWh news is icing on the cake. The ex CEO Carlos Ghosn mentioned in an interview a couple weeks ago that Nissan would be bankrupt in 2022 so that did not help my stress level on top of the lack of communication about what was happening with my battery replacement. Thanks for your post.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:25 pm

@galehawkins

I would be delighted at mention of a buyback
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:46 pm

dsh wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:20 pm
Nissan has raised the prices again on their replacement Battery Packs. Nissan EV Customer Service no longer quotes battery pack prices via their 1.877.664.2738 but refers you to your Dealership for Battery Pack Prices:

24kWh w/o CW: 295B0-9RB9E $7691.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 9rb9e.html
24kWh w/ CW: 295B0-9RB9D $7691.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 9rb9d.html
30kWh w/o CW: 295B0-4NP9A Discontinued Product https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b04np9a
30kWh w/ CW: 295B0-4NP9B Discontinued Product https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b04np9b
40kWh : 295B0-5SA9C $11,231.00 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 5sa9c.html
($10,640.00 @ TASCAParts.com) https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ni ... 295b05sa9c
All seem to have a fixed $1000 core charge.
CW is Cold Weather Package
As usual non transparent business practices, Nissan does not display any 62kWh battery packs for sale. Daklein wrote: "If anyone has won the junkyard lottery, have you seen the p'n on a 62kwh pack? :o I don't really want to buy a 24 or 30 kWh pack by accident. :(" viewtopic.php?t=27600&start=140


GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:47 pm
dsh wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:53 am
Im the Phoenix class-action representative from the Nissan Leaf battery degradation class action lawsuit that was filed against Nissan and I still own my 2011 Nissan Leaf w/ 101,800 miles and am down 6 capacity bars on the second battery which was replaced under the capacity warranty. I just spoke to Nissan customer service and they lowered the price of their 24 kilowatt hour battery to approximately $5,495. They're 40 kilowatt battery is now $12,495. They are discontinuing the 30 kilowatt hour battery and replacing those cars batteries with their 40 kilowatt hour battery. They have still yet to announce this which is odd and they will not install a 40 kilowatt hour in a 24 kilowatt hour equipped car. I told them about Fenix Power and that Fenix power will be the best solution because your batteries with a small subscription price every month will be kept at maximum capacity and you'll always be at 12 capacity bars.. Can't Wait! :P
dsh do you know if the 40 kWh replacement will show a range of 150 miles or if they will just label that extra 10 kWh as battery reserve power with software and the full range will read the same 107 miles. Either way that is awesome news. Do you know if Nissan has found a design problem with the 30kWh battery causing premature failure? My failed it about 24K miles and in 38 months and showed a State Of Health of 63%. It was an off lease car so I really do not have detailed history. Leaf Spy Pro at about 22K miles reported 1 DC and 720 L1/L2 charges. From the external wear on the OEM L1 it may have been the main charger used to charge the car. It had lived in St. Louis MO when it was on lease.

The dealer has had our 2016 Leaf SL over a month now. To be clear they said they got a new Leaf diagnostic computer system a couple months ago but have not had a Leaf in the shop to learn how to use it. I mean they knew the battery was bad (8 bars now after the BMS update was ran in 2018) the first week they had it but I was willing for them use my car to train their techs. They did get a factory trainer out then an area rep to decide where to replace the battery I was told by phone yesterday.

The service writer was evasive when I asked if they had my new battery and he mention that something was mentioned about a buy back because a new battery from the warehouse was going to be $12,500 which until I read your post I thought was BS. My blood pressure shot up over the word "buy-back" and he must have heard my pulse through the phone because he said he was going to be working on this 24/7 to get me a battery. I said NO get sleep so you can work on the matter better. :)

I started my case through the National Leaf customer rep a couple months ago so I reached my contact today and mentioned about "buy-back" coming up and asked why. I was told if the techs found my battery was at 8 bars or less I would be getting a new battery since the BSM was ran in 2018 per the history data. I was told the buy-back was for major repairs that would take a long time and not a battery replacement on a used car. So Monday the servicing dealership service center is to be called by the national customer rep and I am to hear back by Wed that the battery replacement has been ordered.

Our Leaf only has 25K miles and it looks new like so I want to keep it so the national rep made me feel at ease and the 40 kWh news is icing on the cake. The ex CEO Carlos Ghosn mentioned in an interview a couple weeks ago that Nissan would be bankrupt in 2022 so that did not help my stress level on top of the lack of communication about what was happening with my battery replacement. Thanks for your post.
Nissan is a company under stress, so they are looking for money, your money!
However, in the long run, money will not mitigate their poor EV management policies and unsupportive culture towards customer satisfaction.

On a positive note, I thought I would share the following link of an aftermarket pack installation in a gen 1 Leaf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlxzlQgovUA
It appears that any size pack can be adapted to work in the gen one slot. Perhaps this will catch on here in the U.S. and we can repurpose the many used packs made available by accidents.
There is a large market of about 1/2 million Leafs Worldwide and they will all need a replacement pack at least once in their lifetime.

It's disappointing that Nissan has made no effort to develop this growing market. In fact their predatory pricing policy on replacement packs precludes consideration.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:07 pm

fotajoye wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:46 pm
Perhaps this will catch on here in the U.S. and we can repurpose the many used packs made available by accidents.
IIRC, about 1% of on-road vehicles get totaled each year from accident.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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