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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:03 pm

Bufordleaf wrote:In the comments section of his article on greencarreports, John Voelcker says he asked about backward compatibility of the 30 kWh pack into older MY Leafs and a Nissan exec told him NO, but declined to give any specific reasons. IMO this is a huge PR blunder by Nissan and a real dissappointment.
If that turns out to be true, and the end of the matter, I really am finished with Nissan. I will never buy a car from them again, EVER. They had a chance to do the smart thing, and offer the 30 kWh pack to use early adopters, even at a healthy profit to themselves, and it looks like they don't want bothered with it.

Also, did anyone else notice the wackiness with the quoted charge times for the 3.3 kW charger? Its listed as "4 hours" at 220 (240) volt, whereas the 6.6 kW charge time is listed as "5 hours" for the same 24 kWh battery. I think the 3.3 kW should be more like 8 hours.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:10 pm

I notice that the 6.6kwh 200V charger is not on the model S, only 3.3kwh, unless I've read it wrong?
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:23 pm

keydiver wrote:
Bufordleaf wrote:In the comments section of his article on greencarreports, John Voelcker says he asked about backward compatibility of the 30 kWh pack into older MY Leafs and a Nissan exec told him NO, but declined to give any specific reasons. IMO this is a huge PR blunder by Nissan and a real dissappointment.
If that turns out to be true, and the end of the matter, I really am finished with Nissan. I will never buy a car from them again, EVER. They had a chance to do the smart thing, and offer the 30 kWh pack to use early adopters, even at a healthy profit to themselves, and it looks like they don't want bothered with it.
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This is a huge disappointment for sure, but I think we need to put it in perspective.

Other than Tesla, I'm not sure any of the OEM's have the mindset of upgrading their product after it is sold. (Save for recalls they are forced into) You can get pissed at Nissan and buy another brand EV but they will probably have the same mindset. Another reason to buy Model 3 when it comes out (eventually).
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:32 pm

DeeAgeaux wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:The LEAF is the best-selling 100-percent electric vehicle in the United States.
Not for 2015, Year to Date.
In all of history. From the beginning of time to the present, no automaker has sold more BEVs in the US than Nissan.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:33 pm

FYP.
DuncanCunningham wrote:I notice that the 6.6kw charger is not on the model S, only 3.3kw, unless I've read it wrong?
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 29#p394229

Please used the correct units. You meant kW, not kWh. I'm not sure where the 200 volts came from. We don't use that voltage in the US.

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:46 pm

JPWhite wrote:
keydiver wrote:
Bufordleaf wrote:In the comments section of his article on greencarreports, John Voelcker says he asked about backward compatibility of the 30 kWh pack into older MY Leafs and a Nissan exec told him NO, but declined to give any specific reasons. IMO this is a huge PR blunder by Nissan and a real dissappointment.
If that turns out to be true, and the end of the matter, I really am finished with Nissan. I will never buy a car from them again, EVER. They had a chance to do the smart thing, and offer the 30 kWh pack to use early adopters, even at a healthy profit to themselves, and it looks like they don't want bothered with it.
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This is a huge disappointment for sure, but I think we need to put it in perspective.

Other than Tesla, I'm not sure any of the OEM's have the mindset of upgrading their product after it is sold. (Save for recalls they are forced into) You can get pissed at Nissan and buy another brand EV but they will probably have the same mindset. Another reason to buy Model 3 when it comes out (eventually).
Agree. Like most things automotive, "upgrades" are in the purview of inventive enthusiast owners and aftermarket companies. When Toyota had the 4.7l in the Tundra, and then during a mid model refresh upgraded to the more modern 4.6l, they did not offer to upgrade older Tundras. I wouldn't expect things to be much different with the Leaf. I do hope an enthusiast and/or aftermarket company comes up with a way to adapt the 30kw battery to older Leafs.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:17 pm

JPWhite wrote: Other than Tesla, I'm not sure any of the OEM's have the mindset of upgrading their product after it is sold. (Save for recalls they are forced into) You can get pissed at Nissan and buy another brand EV but they will probably have the same mindset.
Depends on what you mean... many automakers including Nissan have offered "aftermarket" upgrade parts (e.g. Nismo for Nissan, TRD for Toyota, etc.) for years.

Examples:
http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/products/nismo_parts/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nismo claims it began in 1984
http://www.trdusa.com/parts.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/10/17/fina ... -scion-tc/
http://www.scion.com/scionracing/7675/c ... rdusa-com/

Can you guys please get the units right? kW for charger wattage. kWh for battery capacity and energy dispensed from the "wall".

BTW, the Leaf already has an 80 kW motor. 80 kW = ~107 horsepower

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:48 pm

keydiver wrote:If that turns out to be true, and the end of the matter, I really am finished with Nissan. I will never buy a car from them again, EVER. They had a chance to do the smart thing, and offer the 30 kWh pack to use early adopters, even at a healthy profit to themselves, and it looks like they don't want bothered with it.
Well, you think it is a smart thing - but who knows, what it entailes ?

If Nissan had to spend x dollars to make the pack backward compatible - would they get back that money from actual upgrades and any goodwill ?

As early adopters we always assume things that help us are smart things to do. May be not so.

I personally think it makes little difference as # of people who would upgrade is small.

Now, if Nissan can make the Gen 2 battery backward compatible, that might be worth it.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:06 pm

Comment thread over here says "A local 2011 owner here in Phoenix has a firm quote to do the 30 kWh battery swap out in his LEAF. We’ll see if it really gets completed pretty soon. The dealer was able to order the 30 K battery…" Others in the thread speculate the dealer is not going to be able to actually install it because of Nissan making it purposely incompatible, but we'll see.

I just called the most Leaf friendly of our local Nissan dealers and the guy claims the 2016 Leafs haven't even started production yet and won't be available till next year. That's either a lie or ignorance because the thread I pointed to above says they've been in production for a few months and will likely be available in some areas by the end of September with a bigger availability in mid October. He then tried to coax me in to buy a 2015 Leaf but at least he wasn't super pushy... I really need the extra range on the 2016 SV.

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:34 pm

One really good feature they could also have added would be active cruise control.

A power upgrade would be nice too, I'm sure the leaf is limited by a good margin. They certainly have it limited on take off too much.
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