people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

[RegGuheert]

I'm seriously considering getting rid of my LEAF, but I can't imagine going back to full ICE, I'll most likely choose a PHEV like Volt or a hybrid like the new Honda Accord Hybrid.

At the end of September I saw 2018 Honda Clarity PHEVs going for about $30,000 (before the tax break).

[hmmwv]

I'm seriously considering getting rid of my LEAF, but I can't imagine going back to full ICE, I'll most likely choose a PHEV like Volt or a hybrid like the new Honda Accord Hybrid.

At the end of September I saw 2018 Honda Clarity PHEVs going for about $30,000 (before the tax break).

That's a great price for the Clarity, but no matter what I just can't get used to its looks.

[GRA]

Coincidentally, my son just bought a 2018 Honda Civic Turbo instead of the Tesla Model 3 that he had a deposit on.

Was that because he didn't want to wait any longer for the 3SR, he still had nowhere convenient to charge (IIRR you said he lived in NYC), or other?

[GRA]

I'm seriously considering getting rid of my LEAF, but I can't imagine going back to full ICE, I'll most likely choose a PHEV like Volt or a hybrid like the new Honda Accord Hybrid.

At the end of September I saw 2018 Honda Clarity PHEVs going for about $30,000 (before the tax break).

That's a great price for the Clarity, but no matter what I just can't get used to its looks.

Do you need the Volt/Clarity's AER, or would something like the Prime's 25 mile AER work for you? Although it's not going to win any awards, IMO the Prime's looks are a lot more acceptable than the Clarity or the regular Gen 4 Prius. There are a lot of 25-30 mile AER PHEVs out there now, and in Seattle you should have access to most of them.

[GetOffYourGas]

IMO the Prime's looks are a lot more acceptable than the Clarity

This is how you know looks are subjective. To me, the Clarity looks like a mid-sized Honda sedan. Not too different from an Accord, which is a very popular car. The Prime, on the other hand, looks like the clay mold was beaten with a stick, and left out in the sun to melt.

[RegGuheert]

This is how you know looks are subjective. To me, the Clarity looks like a mid-sized Honda sedan. Not too different from an Accord, which is a very popular car. The Prime, on the other hand, looks like the clay mold was beaten with a stick, and left out in the sun to melt.

Yep. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[IssacZachary]

This is how you know looks are subjective. To me, the Clarity looks like a mid-sized Honda sedan. Not too different from an Accord, which is a very popular car. The Prime, on the other hand, looks like the clay mold was beaten with a stick, and left out in the sun to melt.

Yep. I couldn't have put it better myself.

I was extremely tempted to downgrade from my Leaf to a Prime. The looks don't bother me one bit. But the 4 seats and no spare tire do. So I got stuck between a 2nd generation Prius and an Avalon hybrid. And my wife chose the Avalon.

[GRA]

Sure, appearance is totally subjective, and what makes one person gag is another's masterpiece of form. However, judging by a cross section of reviews I've read the vast majority opinion is that the Mirai, Clarity and 4th gen. Prius' looks are considered polarizing, ugly or a weirdmobile, and that the Prime is an improvement on the Prius and the others (which is why Toyota is tweaking the Prius to look more like the Prime). Offhand, I can't recall a single professional review of any of the first three that called them attractive*. Is there any doubt that if any of the above looked like the Model S (or the Ford Fusion ftm) that they would appeal to more people? I personally find the Clarity looks reasonably normal from the side, but the front and rear are aesthetic disasters (although the front isn't as bad as the Mirai). It shares the rear-view ugliness with some of the Civic hatches I've seen recently.


*Here's the kindest I found about the Clarity:

But the Clarity wasn’t as ugly in person as I thought it might be, given the jarring funkiness of cars like the Toyota Prius Prime and Toyota Mirai. Aerodynamics shaped the Clarity, resulting in its Star Wars-ish face, but the unusual lines and angles are well integrated into the overall design and flow nicely. The result is an uncommon appearance that’s not entirely weird.

In the rear, you might be reminded of the short-lived Accord Crosstour, the car seemingly inspired by a certain Sir Mix-a-Lot song about bottoms. The Clarity looks like a hatchback, with its sloping rear roofline that blends into its bodacious booty, but it’s actually a sedan.

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/latest ... -1.3764564

I've got to wonder if that reviewer prefers the 4th Gen. Prius' looks to the Prime, which would put them in an extreme minority.

[IssacZachary]

The more it looks like a Corvette or a Hummer the more people like it. Fast and powerful is cool and sci-fi isn't. I personally would like a car that looks like an Aptera.

[camasleaf]

I do not care much about how the car looks on the outside. Others see the outside a lot more than me. I care more about the inside and how comfortable it is.