I, on the other hand would love to get another used Leaf.... It is the best "appliance" I have bought next to the microwave oven.
I'm in Long Island NY near New York City..
And this is something I've been advocating to most all my friends and family. The great majority of them don't drive over 30 miles per day and have two or more cars per family. A used Leaf would be much much better than the common SUV everyone around here thinks they need.GerryAZ wrote:I will always drive electric for my around town driving and keep my other vehicles for longer trips.
Unfortunately Anaheim Electric has no tiers. I have no option to charge late at night. I pay $.16 all the time. Now if I was in Edison territory it would be too expensive to charge during the day and I could charge late at night cheap.GerryAZ wrote:I know California has high electric rates with usage tiers (at some utilities) so an electric car could be more expensive to drive if it raised monthly kWh to the next tier, but electric driving is much cheaper than gas for me in Arizona. I am on a time of use plan with extra charge for 1-hour maximum peak demand so it would be expensive to charge on peak, but I charge only off peak at home for between $30 and $40 to drive about 1,500 miles per month. I will always drive electric for my around town driving and keep my other vehicles for longer trips.GlennD wrote:I wrecked my car and it took two months for repair. The first month I had a Hertz rental Versa Note that got 31MPG according the dash gauge, The second month I had a Dealer C300 loaner. According to the web site it got 24MPG. There were no books in the car. I put in a total of $70 for gas and my electric bill for 2 months went down $100.
Really, I hated the noisy Versa so it was worth paying more for mt B250E.
I imagine a decent ICE would be cheaper to run at today's prices.
GlennD wrote:I wrecked my car and it took two months for repair. The first month I had a Hertz rental Versa Note that got 31MPG according the dash gauge, The second month I had a Dealer C300 loaner. According to the web site it got 24MPG. There were no books in the car. I put in a total of $70 for gas and my electric bill for 2 months went down $100.
Really, I hated the noisy Versa so it was worth paying more for mt B250E.
I imagine a decent ICE would be cheaper to run at today's prices.
$50 per month at $0.16 is 312.5 kWh per month. At 2.5 miles per kWh (very bad weather or driving habits) you can go about 780 miles per month.GlennD wrote:I pay $.16 all the time.
Exactly -- GlennD's arithmetic is off.IssacZachary wrote:(fuel cost arithmetic)
Yeah, $0.16/kWh if he doesn't have to worry about tiers would be fine, although that doesn't include an allowance for overhead and charging inefficiency - I figure .88, but .85 to .9 is about the right range for L2, so 17.8 to 18.8 cents/kWh. OTOH, for most people paying for public for-profit charging the numbers are usually the other way, Blink in California being an example: $0.49/kWh from the wall, say $0.54 - $0.56/kWh into the battery.SageBrush wrote:Exactly -- GlennD's arithmetic is off.IssacZachary wrote:(fuel cost arithmetic)
I find it easiest to just calculate pennies per mile.
If GlennD gets crappy mileage in a LEAF, he does in an ICE too so we can just use EPA numbers instead to get relative costs
LEAF
16 cents for 3.7 miles = 4.3 cents a mile
31 MPG car,
$2.8 a gallon = 9 cents a mile
2.09x more expensive fuel per mile
24 MPG car,
$2.8 a gallon = 11.6 cents a mile
2.7x more expensive fuel per mile
It does, I'm using the EPA MPGe, translated to miles/kWhGRA wrote: although that doesn't include an allowance for overhead and charging inefficiency
Of course there's no way of meeting exactly what criteria they use for TCO calculators, but I thought it was noteworthy to check out Edmund's TCO calculator. For a used Leaf like my 2013, it only costs around $24,000 to own it for five years by their current calculations (It was $21,000 when I bought mine). But a base model Toyota Camry for the same model year costs about $29,000 for five years. Just about any other ICE car you look at will cost even more than that, unless it's a cheap Mitsubishi Mirage or something similar.GlennD wrote:I imagine a decent ICE would be cheaper to run at today's prices.
I'm using Edmund's TCO calculator. It's based on ownership, not leasing, I do believe:powersurge wrote:How do you figure that a Leaf will cost $37K for 5 years? OR Camry?? Is that a lease??
If you own, the first 5 years is the most expensive.. then you coast after that...