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Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:37 pm
by tattoogunman
jake14mw wrote:Which Leaf do you have? I can't imagine being able to use a 24kw model as a taxi/shuttle, given how often you would need to charge it. Also, there is not much cargo room, and while the back seat is not tiny, I would not want it as my taxi or shuttle ride.
None right now, but I was looking at getting a 30 kWh model sometime in the future (used obviously). Range would not be an issue with what I am looking at doing because the distances traveled would be minimal - probably not more than a ten mile radius (give or take). Cargo capacity is also not really an issue, but the space in the Leaf would be more than adequate for what I'm thinking of doing. I would speak with actual taxi drivers, but I would not really be a taxi per se and there really aren't any in my area anyway (the ones that do exist do not use EVs).

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:24 pm
by GerryAZ
Usable cargo space is actually a lot better than many rental cars I have driven. I find that suitcases can stand up in the deep area without folding the back seat. I drive to the airport or my office frequently for out of town trips. When traveling for extended trips, I can easily handle two large suitcases and a carry on. Range is the only limitation I would be worried about for shuttle/taxi service.

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:22 pm
by alozzy
The usable trunk space would be so much better, if not for the big hump in the middle of the hatch door panel. I've always wondered why it's there. Someday, I'll take the plastic cover off just out of curiosity, as there have been a number of times when I couldn't fit something in the trunk due to that hump.

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:21 am
by erco
ONE Leaf taxi hit 100K miles with the battery retaining 12 bars.

https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-taxi- ... tery-bars/

Is this for real, or a promo stunt from Nissan? (We'll replace your battery for free, but don't tell nobody, and big smile for the cameras)

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:38 pm
by GerryAZ
erco wrote:ONE Leaf taxi hit 100K miles with the battery retaining 12 bars.

https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-taxi- ... tery-bars/

Is this for real, or a promo stunt from Nissan? (We'll replace your battery for free, but don't tell nobody, and big smile for the cameras)
No stunt, just ideal use--cool climate, many DCQC sessions, and many miles in short time.

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:04 pm
by DarthPuppy
When I was last in Amsterdam, there was a whole company of EV only taxis. I took one. The driver indicated they have worked well.

But their communities are designed differently - much closer together so bikes work well and not everyone has to use a car. So the range needs are mitigated. I doubt anything short of the 2018 Leaf would work well as a taxi in Southern California. But where you are at if your business would be no more than a 10 mile radius, I imagine it could work quite well.

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:34 am
by johnlocke
Here in San Diego, I've talked to several Uber and Lyft drivers with 24 KWH Leafs at the local DCFC chargers. Range does not seem to be an issue. Most trips are relatively short. Nissan's NCTC is a big benefit for these guys. I suspect that even L2 charging might work to top off the battery while waiting for the next call. Probably takes a bit more planning but the guys I talked to had worked it out.

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:19 am
by powersurge
I cant believe so many people are thumbs down on the Leaf as a Taxi... I think the Leaf is the PERFECT taxi... IF you drive short distances and have some time to recharge on L2 or QC between fares.

You could get away with 60-70 miles of use and then spend 40 minutes on a DQ chademo charger...

I think the Leaf is at its best if it is used 24 hrs/ day.. You could probably get 500K miles on the car before the end of 3 years old, and the battery would still be good!!

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:14 pm
by johnlocke
powersurge wrote:I cant believe so many people are thumbs down on the Leaf as a Taxi... I think the Leaf is the PERFECT taxi... IF you drive short distances and have some time to recharge on L2 or QC between fares.

You could get away with 60-70 miles of use and then spend 40 minutes on a DQ chademo charger...

I think the Leaf is at its best if it is used 24 hrs/ day.. You could probably get 500K miles on the car before the end of 3 years old, and the battery would still be good!!
If you could operate the car between 80% and 20% charge, you would likely get 3000-5000 charge cycles out of the battery before it lost too much capacity. Say about 200K-300k miles if you were lucky. Of course the interior and chassis would probably be shot before that. :D

Re: Leaf as taxi/shuttle

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:37 pm
by johnlocke
Just for reference, the average taxi is driven 70000 mi/yr. Nearly 40% of that is spent cruising for fares to pick up. Since Uber and Lyft are on demand services, they probably drive about 40000 mi/yr if they are full time drivers. Most cab rides are less than 12 mi. If the cab is not leased to the driver, it is likely "hot seated" meaning that two or more drivers alternate shifts and the cab is driven nearly continuously. In that case a cab could rack up 150000-200000 mi/yr.

In Europe, cab rides are usually shorter still owing to compactness of European cities. Putting 100000 mi. on a Leaf cab in a couple of years would be easy even there. All the cabs I've heard about with 100000 mi. or more were from England or Ireland which have ideal weather for the Leaf. Add in the short time frame required to get to 100000 mi and the likelihood of frequent charging to top off the battery and it's not surprising to see Leaf taxis with all their bars intact.