aluminumwelder wrote:I guess no one sees the irony that people are saying that driving a quarter of a million miles is some great environmental accomplishment because it was done on electricity, when in fact excessive driving is ACTUALLY BAD FOR THE ENVIRONEMENT, just a little bit less so in an electric vehicle
anyways not going to argue over it anymore my point has been made.
, from putting in the 98584 zip code where the OP works, 47.2% of electricity there comes from hydro, a non-GHG emitting source of electricity.
Per https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... action=bt3
, a '12 Leaf produces 110 grams/mile in terms of emissions (all upstream) in that zip code. '11 Leaf is the same. The average new vehicle in the US produces 410 grams/mile.
aluminumwelder wrote:how is suggesting reducing usage " bad mouthing"
It's not -- IN GENERAL. But criticizing an INDIVIDUAL when you have no idea of their situation finances constraints or obligations, is arrogant beyond belief. Who are you to demand that they get a new job, or move, or... what?
Nobody is saying that driving, in itself, is a virtue. Mostly we're applauding OP's ability to get so much more out of LEAF (despite design shortcomings) than most of us can imagine.
Yes. I've been slammed similarly on another forum in a similar manner when I had 46 mpg combined Prius (almost certainly before I had a Leaf and possibly before Leaf existed). The guy suggested I essentially didn't care (much?) about the environment and should take public transit or move closer. (Not like he drove anything particularly efficient, AFAIK.)
Public transportation where I live is awful. I live rent free (long story). Taking public transit to work (back then) would take almost 3 hours one way, when driving ~24 miles to work would take 28-32 minutes in the times I’d go. I could've driven 10 minutes to a park and ride lot and took public transit from there. It'd have brought the outbound trip to only 2.5 hours.
Of course I could move closer but instead pay thousands a month in rent instead.
I can't speak directly to the OP's reasons or situations, but there is something about it at https://www.greencarreports.com/news/10 ... no-problem
RonDawg wrote: aluminumwelder wrote:
So in your line of thinking "to save the environment" he should move so he would be closer to his job?
WOW WHAT A CRAZY LIBERAL IDEA THAT WOULD BE. WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR JOB AND COMMUNITE LESS. COMMON SENSE! SEEMS LIKE A RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT prefer to waste time commuting. Normalizing this wastefull mindset is the first step towards saying NO to excess and saying Yes to reducing.
I don't think anybody really LIKES commuting far. They do it because they feel they have little choice for their particular situation.
I know my father made a hellish commute (not so much in distance, but the route) so that my mother didn't have to.
aluminumwelder: Have you heard of situations like this https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/pr-rep- ... -rent.html
? Crazy long commutes in the SF Bay Area happen usually amongst lower wage workers because housing prices are insane here.
Back when I was working in Mountain View, CA between late 04 and 09, a co-worker was commuting from Tracy (over 60 miles, each way), which was insane. He'd have to take ACE train (https://www.acerail.com/
) for both directions and a company shuttle that picked up and dropped off at one of the train stops. Reason? He moved from another state where housing was much cheaper (and he had a relatively large house before). Housing prices in the Bay Area are insane and he'd either have to downsize MASSIVELY and it might not be doable (given he had a wife and kids). So, he TOFTT and bought something that was more reasonable in price and size in Tracy.
IIRC, it was 2+ hours door to door, each way for him. From where we worked and the nature of our work, I'd say our pay was about average for a Bay Area tech worker.
There are several folks on my team and MANY at my company that for whatever reasons choose to live in the city of SF which is 50 miles from work. Most of them take a free company shuttle but a lot of time is burned each day doing that. Most of them seem to just like living in SF. I sure wouldn't want to live there. I've heard some reasons from some of them (e.g. great restaurants nearby, like the life there, etc.)