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Re: June Plugin Sales : Leaf 535, Volt 1760, PIP 695, FFE 89

Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:58 pm

I would have to disagree. we live in one of the most supported states in the US, a trip from Seattle to Portland is possible only because of state of the art DC Quick chargers, and even with them, a trip that takes 3 hours on a good day in an ICE, takes 6.5 hours on a good day in the Leaf because we only have 24 kW batteries in our Leafs. With a larger battery, it would be a synch. Even if the Leaf charged in 5 minutes, it still takes time to pull off the highway and multiplied by all those stops between Seattle and Portland, it still adds a lot of time. don't get me wrong, I'm willing to do it, but for now, it appears a lot of folks are not. and agreed on the non-affordability of adequate range, the next release on the open market of the latest break through in price and range will not be a moment too soon.

At this point, if we stick with the S reservation and ultimately buy, it may require that we go down to a single car household to swing it, then again we may sell the ICE and keep the Leaf as the second car, depending in part on what Nissan's response is to the premature range loss fiasco that is unfolding.
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Cheezmo wrote:
GaslessInSeattle wrote:People want a car with enough range that they just don't need to think about it much, for most of the life of the car; they want to drive their car, they don't want their car to drive them.
What a great post! I think you really nailed it. I was willing to make compromises and enjoy planning trips with QC stops, etc. so dove in with the Leaf. But as you can see the practicality (and need for long range) led me afterward to the Volt. I love them both. But the Volt is the "don't have to think about it" car. Only thing is I do think about it and "gas anxiety" on the Volt is as bad or worse than "range anxiety" on the Leaf.

Of course the average person would not obsess over that and would not have to, which is why in my opinion the Volt is more "mainstream" as we are seeing in the sales results. I get a lot of people asking me "so which do you like better" and I have to say the Volt. The Leaf does everything except go as far as I need it to. The Volt does everything except stay completely electric (I'll take the 95%+ I expect I'll get), plus the Volt just handles better and that matters to me. Oh and you don't have to press "OK" every time you start the Volt.
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sorry but i cant buy that because i cannot afford to buy that. the biggest problem is not the range of the EV, its the support of the EV. remove every gas station for 300 miles and see how well someone with a 400 mile range car will like it...

THEN we will talk about EVs "limited" range
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Re: June Plugin Sales : Leaf 535, Volt 1760, PIP 695, FFE 89

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:12 pm

smkettner wrote:
Norway wrote:In addition to all of the above, all electric cars park free on all street parking, we drive in the bus lane, we don't pay USD 400 annual car tax, and from this year 50% of all public parking spaces in the capital will be reserved for electric vehicles (with free 3.6 kW charging for all of them).
And does the gas burning population complain about all the EV perks? Seems like a lot of protest in the US on the subsidies and perks.
No, all political parties are in agreement (!) that these things should be free for EVs.

However, quite a few people complain about the price of gas/Diesel (about USD 10 per gallon, and we're one of the biggest producers of oil in the world) and the registration tax for gas/Diesel cars. One of the right wing parties have tried to make a political point of this, but even they are for "no taxes for EVs".

Higher taxes in Norway work because the population at large sees the benefits.
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:18 pm

Nissan, Japan, 1401 in may and 1013 in june 2012:
http://logsoku.com/thread/kohada.2ch.ne ... :BO8TJpFP0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:36 pm

^ After viewing the link... I'll have to take your word on it. ;)
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:43 pm

or just hit translate button, if you are using Chrome browser. The sales should probably slow down with anticipated 2013 model
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:33 pm

navidad wrote:Nissan, Japan, 1401 in may and 1013 in june 2012:
http://logsoku.com/thread/kohada.2ch.ne ... :BO8TJpFP0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks.

Any idea what the numbers are for iMiEV & Plugin Prius ?
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:18 am

evnow wrote:
navidad wrote:Nissan, Japan, 1401 in may and 1013 in june 2012:
http://logsoku.com/thread/kohada.2ch.ne ... :BO8TJpFP0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks.

Any idea what the numbers are for iMiEV & Plugin Prius ?
(copy and paste from a post I did over on the iMiEV thread ... hard to believe the same exact number sold both months but that's what was reported!; also Prius PHEV's were 688 for the month, same URL)

This one isn't setting the world on fire either ... 33 sold in July (same as June)

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/chevy-vo ... 49433.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Mitsubishi is now selling this car through certified i-MiEV dealers in all states except Alaska, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska and North Dakota, with no plans for U.S. territories at this time."

on autotrader I see about 670 'in stock' in the U.S.; not the ~ 3K that Nissan is supposed to have in inventory but if anyone wants one they should be able to get one fairly easily with the small amount of sales
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:01 am

Is Volt ahead because of their crazy good lease specials? Despite that, I think the numbers tell exactly what people want.
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:06 am

IBELEAF wrote: Despite that, I think the numbers tell exactly what people want.
And what is that, exactly?

People want an electric car that can go 400 miles on a charge, recharge in less than 5 minutes, and costs $15,000. But people don't always get what they want.
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:23 am

adric22 wrote: And what is that, exactly?

People want an electric car that can go 400 miles on a charge, recharge in less than 5 minutes, and costs $15,000. But people don't always get what they want.
Exactly what you see with numbers, unless there are still supply issues Nissan is just not going to be able to move this car at larger volumes unless they do the obvious.
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