Page 3 of 7

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:51 pm
by Oilpan4
The only benefit I see is a brief flood of used EVs hitting the market.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:00 pm
by Oilpan4
rmay635703 wrote:
WetEV wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote:You know what this means.
They really aren't worried about and/or don't care about man made climate change.
Money is more important than environmental damage.
In your value system, perhaps.
One of the folks who bought a $3500 IMIEV a couple years ago then got bit by a dramatic increase in registration costs
looked into the fine for having expired registration and it was like $100 and rarely caught in the real world anyway.

My uncle was one of “those guys” silly taxes like this will result in more of “those guys” on the road
Exactly.
If NM picked up a ridiculous EV tax I would probably let mine expire and drive on expired tags, or sell it and get somethingthe tax doesn't apply to.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:04 pm
by rmay635703
Oilpan4 wrote:The only benefit I see is a brief flood of used EVs hitting the market.
My car (and many others here) came from Georgia, (hint hint)
boneheaded taxes kill the already tough used EV market
And maybe that’s the point

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:36 pm
by GerryAZ
Coinneach wrote:
Evoforce wrote:Arizona, as of the first of this year, does not have reduced EV registration. Governor wanted more money for Sheriffs dept. Easy money...

We should get breaks, we are not contributing more foul air to the planet. Our type of cars generally cost more new so give us a break...

All we get is $75 for installing a home charger.
Say what? My registration including the DPS (not shurfs) fee was $67. Compare that to the ~$400 I paid for the first year on my 2016 Civic.
Look at the references Evoforce linked in his earlier post. The big increase will come in 2020. I have not yet been able to find out if it applies to all alternative fuel vehicles or just new purchases after the date when it takes effect in 2020. If it applies to all alternative fuel vehicles, there will be one less used EV available for someone to purchase in AZ and a new car dealer will lose a sale because I will keep mine instead of purchasing a longer-range EV.

Most of the EVs in AZ are located in the Phoenix metro area which is often on the verge of fines from EPA for violating Federal air pollution limits. There are frequent restrictions on the use of gasoline-powered lawn and garden equipment, limitations on the use of unpaved parking areas, and other restrictions in attempt to avoid violations. Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense for the legislature and governor to pass laws that discourage the use of vehicles that do not contribute to local pollution (and still pollute less than gasoline or diesel vehicles even when power plant pollution is considered).

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 8:26 pm
by Nubo
webb14leafs wrote:The $1000 figure is insane, but I do understand states that have surcharges. Maintenance on Roads and Bridges are largely funded by gas taxes. We still drive on those roads and should pay our fair share.
Fine, eliminate the gasoline tax and charge ALL owners $1000.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 9:25 pm
by LeftieBiker
Nubo wrote:
webb14leafs wrote:The $1000 figure is insane, but I do understand states that have surcharges. Maintenance on Roads and Bridges are largely funded by gas taxes. We still drive on those roads and should pay our fair share.
Fine, eliminate the gasoline tax and charge ALL owners $1000.
The air pollution reduction from EVs at least offsets the loss of gas tax revenue. Breathing related illnesses cost a lot of money.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:31 am
by webb14leafs
Nubo wrote:
webb14leafs wrote:The $1000 figure is insane, but I do understand states that have surcharges. Maintenance on Roads and Bridges are largely funded by gas taxes. We still drive on those roads and should pay our fair share.
Fine, eliminate the gasoline tax and charge ALL owners $1000.
A logical solution that will probably never happen. As I said, the $1000 figure is ridiculous. A usage tax on gasoline has made sense for years, especially when you consider that ligher/fuel efficient cars do less damage to roadways and thus pay less total tax. There's just no way to apply this type of tax to EVs.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:12 am
by rmay635703
webb14leafs wrote:There's just no way to apply this type of tax to EVs.
Yes there already is
municipal substation taxes are already charged per kilowatt hour in all areas of the country
This tax goes into the general fund which in my area is where most non-federal road funding comes from.

If by some miracle every car was an EV the government could simply manipulate this tax
True unrelated consumer uses would also pay the road tax but it’s no different than my lawnmower or home generator paying road tax and commercial industrial customers are generally exempt but we could change that.

Don’t know why people are so hung up on directly charging individuals fees that are labeled “road tax” when that is both inefficient, has an element of fraud, and is regressive to the poor.

I guess 11 years of Koch bros propaganda telling us we are all of a sudden not paying our fair share is finally hitting home.

In reality the infantesmally small number of EVs on the road play no role in the made up road funding crisis
It’s a red herring and has to do with mismanagement of all the other tax bases that are meant to fund road repairs that magically get diverted to something else. It also doesn’t help that consumer tastes have changed in that more consumers are lazy and have most things shipped to them, in my area taxis and delivery trucks are road tax exempt, perhaps that should change?

Ah well

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:56 am
by LTLFTcomposite
LOL here we go with the Koch bros again

They do like their taxes in Illinois.

Re: Illinois Insanity

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:01 am
by rmay635703
LTLFTcomposite wrote:LOL here we go with the Koch bros again

They do like their taxes in Illinois.
Our former governor met with them weekly,

When was the last time you called your governor?