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Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 3:42 pm
by LeftieBiker
I forgot to mention road trips. Nissan marketing aside, the 40kwh Leaf is NOT good for extended road trips. It's fine for "one QC" extended day trips, but for anything longer the Tesla is the car for the job. Although I personally would be pretty unhappy taking a winter road trip in a RWD car with no heated steering wheel...

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 4:23 pm
by OrientExpress
Tw, here is some news about Nissan’s battery partner/supplier

https://insideevs.com/news/348513/envis ... batteries/

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 5:22 pm
by webeleafowners
LeftieBiker wrote:I forgot to mention road trips. Nissan marketing aside, the Leaf is NOT good for extended road trips. It's fine for "one QC" extended day trips, but for anything longer the Tesla is the car for the job. Although I personally would be pretty unhappy taking a winter road trip in a RWD car with no heated steering wheel...
Hey Leftie. Angela and I typically limit our days to about 600 km per day on a 2350 km road trip four day trip. We typically stop three times per day. A 15 minute mid morning exercise/coffee/chihuahua break, a 30 minute lunch break and then one more mid afternoon break. We do this return trip about twice per year. Given our laid back pace how do you think the trip would go. I think we would plan our breaks and lunch around Chademo stops. Overnight charging at hotels.

Would be interested in your opinion as well as the OP’s of the thread.

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 5:36 pm
by LeftieBiker
This isn't my area of expertise. Given that, I'd say that the last 100km each day would be the tricky part. Slowing down a bit so you got there with just one full QC and one partial one sounds doable in mild weather. If it were hot and/or you wanted to drive at freeway speeds I think you'd want the 62kwh Leaf. I guess it comes down to whether or not your driving style and the route yield the necessary range. People seem to be able to get 320km from the 40kwh Leaf on leisurely secondary road trips. If it comes close, keep in mind capacity loss over the years - those two QC stops would likely become three...

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 5:57 pm
by webeleafowners
LeftieBiker wrote:This isn't my area of expertise. Given that, I'd say that the last 100km each day would be the tricky part. Slowing down a bit so you got there with just one full QC and one partial one sounds doable in mild weather. If it were hot and/or you wanted to drive at freeway speeds I think you'd want the 62kwh Leaf. I guess it comes down to whether or not your driving style and the route yield the necessary range. People seem to be able to get 320km from the 40kwh Leaf on leisurely secondary road trips. If it comes close, keep in mind capacity loss over the years - those two QC stops would likely become three...
It would definetly be the 62 KWh leaf plus. We actually do some fairly significant one day road trips in our existing 30 Kwh SV. We obviously stop more often and of course in BC the speed limits are slower. We travel about 500 km in a fairly normal travel day. The Chihuahua loves the breaks. Lol.

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:02 pm
by LeftieBiker
That should be doable with one QC stop per day. Given the reduced heating of the 62kwh pack, a second, partial QC would be easy enough if needed.

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:04 pm
by webeleafowners
LeftieBiker wrote:That should be doable with one QC stop per day. Given the reduced heating of the 62kwh pack, a second, partial QC would be easy enough if needed.
That’s what we thought. We are walkers and hikers so we are never board on a break.

Thanks Leftie.

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:10 pm
by LeftieBiker
My one concern about the ePlus over the 40kwh Leaf is how it will handle on snow or ice covered roads. I'm sure you will put good snow tires on all wheels, though.

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:13 am
by webeleafowners
We will if we drive in winter but the reality is we do this trip to escape winter (or at least part of it) and head to our place in Palm Springs.

Is there any particular reason you are concerned about winter in the Eplus?

Re: The new Nissan Leaf is a better car than the Tesla Model 3?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 10:05 am
by Lothsahn
SageBrush wrote:I watch the battery capacity of our LEAF drop by the month. End of comparison
I watched the battery capacity of my 2011 Canary pack drop 2% last year. End of comparison.

Such quotes are useful for Twitter and inciting flame wars, but don't lead to productive discussion.

The reality is that the Tesla batteries have historically held up better than the Leaf batteries, but overall non battery reliability has been far worse. It's unclear what the total repair cost over the lifespan of the vehicle will be for a Model 3 or 2019 Leaf. In fact, it appears that the non canary 24 kWh packs may last the life of the vehicle for many Leafs, up to 150k miles. With the lesser DoD for 30, 40, and 62 kWh packs, it may be a non issue for most owners.

The two absolutely true statements are:
1) The canary packs were defective. They only retain their life in the coldest climates
2) The battery reliability of a Leaf in a hot climate is not good and owners in such areas should look at other EVs