300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

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martyscholes

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Briefly mentioned at 18:40 in the below video, the host mentions that Nissan will introduce a new LEAF with 40% more range at the Tokyo Auto Show, which I understand is at the end of October 2019. My math says that the new car would have a 315-mile range using an 85 kWh battery. Has this been leaked elsewhere?

https://youtu.be/njKmKAEdXsY
 
I hope you guys are correct but I still think TFL made an error, as the recent news reported was about their crossover. And I thought I heard the crossover was suppose to have 40% more range, so I find it a big coincidence that TFL said the same number for the LEAF, as well that nobody else has heard a whisper of a longer range leaf.

Especially since the plus was just introduced for 2019. Hey, I hope I'm wrong.

But the simplest explanation is that TFL made a goof.
 
"Nissan Electric SUV Will Debut At Tokyo Auto Show In October"

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/10/nissan-electric-suv-will-debut-at-tokyo-auto-show-in-october/

I think this is what the TFL guys mixed up.
 
danrjones said:
I hope you guys are correct but I still think TFL made an error, as the recent news reported was about their crossover. And I thought I heard the crossover was suppose to have 40% more range, so I find it a big coincidence that TFL said the same number for the LEAF, as well that nobody else has heard a whisper of a longer range leaf.

Especially since the plus was just introduced for 2019. Hey, I hope I'm wrong.

But the simplest explanation is that TFL made a goof.
Reasonable.

If so, 40% more than what ? Does Nissan have a current CUV they are using as a baseline ?
 
SageBrush said:
danrjones said:
I hope you guys are correct but I still think TFL made an error, as the recent news reported was about their crossover. And I thought I heard the crossover was suppose to have 40% more range, so I find it a big coincidence that TFL said the same number for the LEAF, as well that nobody else has heard a whisper of a longer range leaf.

Especially since the plus was just introduced for 2019. Hey, I hope I'm wrong.

But the simplest explanation is that TFL made a goof.
Reasonable.

If so, 40% more than what ? Does Nissan have a current CUV they are using as a baseline ?

That's a good question as well. I just looked through a bunch of the announcements about Nissan and the Motor show and the only thing I did find is that they will have the e+ at the show, which was described as has 40% more range than the standard leaf. So maybe this too could have led to confusion.
 
Based on Nissan's press release on the show, it sounds like they are talking about the existing Leaf+ having the extra 40% capacity:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-540c6fc9aee347cff6e307622e002d20-191001-02-e

As the article says: "40% additional range (up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard)"
458 km [285 mi]
 
henrydehoja said:
Based on Nissan's press release on the show, it sounds like they are talking about the existing Leaf+ having the extra 40% capacity:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-540c6fc9aee347cff6e307622e002d20-191001-02-e

As the article says: "40% additional range (up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard)"
458 km [285 mi]

Yes, BUT, It also states the Leaf e+ that was introduced earlier this year has the 40% additional range.

Looks like it’s the Plus with the 62 kWh battery.
 
Flyct said:
henrydehoja said:
Based on Nissan's press release on the show, it sounds like they are talking about the existing Leaf+ having the extra 40% capacity:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-540c6fc9aee347cff6e307622e002d20-191001-02-e

As the article says: "40% additional range (up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard)"
458 km [285 mi]

Yes, BUT, It also states the Leaf e+ that was introduced earlier this year has the 40% additional range.

Looks like it’s the Plus with the 62 kWh battery.

Yah. I tend to agree. The Eplus has about 40 percent more range than the standard leaf. I think they calculated that 458 number incorrectly from the existing Eplus. Or they are talking about a 2021 model.
 
"up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard"

I'll guess WLTP
1 WLTP = ~ 0.7 EPA

So 458 WLTP km = 458*0.62*0.7 = 200 EPA miles
 
henrydehoja said:
Based on Nissan's press release on the show, it sounds like they are talking about the existing Leaf+ having the extra 40% capacity:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-540c6fc9aee347cff6e307622e002d20-191001-02-e

As the article says: "40% additional range (up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard)"
458 km [285 mi]
I can't read Japanese but one can clearly see these (for example) talking about 458 km on WLTC on a 62 kWh Leaf.
https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf.html
https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/charge.html
 
SageBrush said:
"up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard"

I'll guess WLTP
1 WLTP = ~ 0.7 EPA

So 458 WLTP km = 458*0.62*0.7 = 200 EPA miles

To get EPA from WLTP you divide ELTP by 1.12

sooooo. 458 / 1.12 = 408 km.


I did notice them talking about Propilot two though. I wonder if that will be on the 2020’s.
 
webeleafowners said:
SageBrush said:
"up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard"

I'll guess WLTP
1 WLTP = ~ 0.7 EPA

So 458 WLTP km = 458*0.62*0.7 = 200 EPA miles

To get EPA from WLTP you divide ELTP by 1.12
.
Right you are, going by this article
https://insideevs.com/features/343231/heres-how-to-calculate-conflicting-ev-range-test-cycles-epa-wltp-nedc/
although note the ~ 0.1 SD. I am unsure if the stated conversion is EV specific since that could well be different than ICE. I also don't know if Japan adds its own wrinkle to the WLTP. The Nissan/UK website reports a range of "up to" 239 miles for the E+; EPA reports 215 - 225 miles depending on trim. 239/215 = 1.11

I mistakenly used the NEDC/EPA conversion earlier. Thanks for the correction. Within the range of error of the WLTP/EPA this story is very likely a ~ 62 kWh LEAF. Any small differences could probably be explained by OEM tyre choices
 
webeleafowners said:
Flyct said:
henrydehoja said:
Based on Nissan's press release on the show, it sounds like they are talking about the existing Leaf+ having the extra 40% capacity:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-540c6fc9aee347cff6e307622e002d20-191001-02-e

As the article says: "40% additional range (up to 458 kilometers under the WLTC Japan standard)"
458 km [285 mi]

Yes, BUT, It also states the Leaf e+ that was introduced earlier this year has the 40% additional range.

Looks like it’s the Plus with the 62 kWh battery.

Yah. I tend to agree. The Eplus has about 40 percent more range than the standard leaf. I think they calculated that 458 number incorrectly from the existing Eplus. Or they are talking about a 2021 model.

What I mean:
"existing Leaf+" = this year's Leaf e+

That 458 km [285 mi] range is based on the Japanese standard and seems accurate for what Japan reported for the Leaf e+ this year. Based on the USA standard from the EPA, the e+ range is 364 km [226 mi].
 
I stumble upon this article online this morning which seems to indicate there is a Leaf update being displayed at this weeks Tokyo Motor Show.
I've had a look online and at the Nissan Global newsroom website but can't find any other mention of it. Has anyone else heard anything or read anything anywhere?
Tokyo Motor Show runs from 24 October to 4 November.
Take the info with a little bit of scepticism.
Link to the story: https://www.tflcar.com/2019/10/top-5-safest-evs/
 
Don't we already have another thread about this?
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=30431

Mods, please merge.

I will be at Tokyo Motor Show but on two general public weekdays (https://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/press_release/20181009.html), so any announcements will certainly happen (and be in the press) before I arrive.
 
cwerdna said:
Don't we already have another thread about this?
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=30431

Mods, please merge.

I will be at Tokyo Motor Show but on two general public weekdays (https://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/press_release/20181009.html), so any announcements will certainly happen (and be in the press) before I arrive.
Sorry I missed that thread.
Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers,
G.
 
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