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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:30 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:28 am
johnlocke wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:27 pm
Nissan would be smart to change to CCS for Europe and the U.S. since the majority of new charging stations will be either Combo or CCS only.
Because of VW-owned Electrify America stacking the deck?

CCS only? Even they aren't doing that, AFAIK.
I think what SAE and non-Japan automakers did pushing CCS standard (With Chademo already in use at the time) was craven. Nevertheless it seems clear now that Chademo is going to lose this standards war. The question is how many years do they want to saddle US customers with substandard QC access? For being first-to-market with a viable mainstream EV, Nissan has ever since demonstrated a remarkable lack of agility.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:39 am

johnlocke wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:27 pm
Tokyo launch video seems to show the new car with a Chademo connection (V2H).
It wasn't clear to me, but I got the impression that there was only the CHAdeMO connector, no slow AC charge connector at all.

Could this be the future? All DC charging? No On Board Charrger at all?

Perhaps that aspect is more concept than reality, at least for some time.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:19 am

I saw the same, and honestly, it makes sense. If you have a V2H system and a 300 mile real world range, you really don't need Level 2 any more...with the exception of overnight destination chargers for longer trips.

Its a bit more expensive, but it's not to hard to think of hotels moving from Level 2 destination chargers to V2H systems which actually give them power fail over from their guests and maybe a perk with the power companies.

Nissan does need another manufacturer (beyond Mitsubishi Outlander) to release with Chademo (My thought was that it would come from China, but they have slowed down their plans in coming to the US) to push to the higher power backward compatible Chademo 3 (ChaoJi).

The car companies in general desperately don't want to change their business model, but Tesla is forcing it. It is going to take some real leadership to change that culture...or become dinosaurs. There is still time... say a year or 18 months for them to change.. If it takes longer then that, Tesla moves from 2-3% market share to 10%...and it will quickly become game over for many of the brands we know today. They have had 10 years to change, so maybe its for the better.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am

Maybe it is just me, but I like having the charge port on the front.

As to only having a fast charge port, I've seen some CCS - like the Kia - that look like they only have one but that one port has pieces to do both.
So one port essentially does both Lvl2 and Fast charging on the Kia. The level 2 plug simply doesn't use the bottom prongs.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:28 am

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Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am
Maybe it is just me, but I like having the charge port on the front.
Me too. Most of the DCQC stations are nose in, so the charge port in the front works well. Charge port on the side is a loser in tight parking.

I wonder what the reasoning is.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:24 am

coulomb wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:39 am
It wasn't clear to me, but I got the impression that there was only the CHAdeMO connector, no slow AC charge connector at all.

Could this be the future? All DC charging? No On Board Charrger at all?
They put the CHAdeMO connector on the drivers’ side, and the AC connector on the passengers’ side.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:09 am

coulomb wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:39 am
johnlocke wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:27 pm
Tokyo launch video seems to show the new car with a Chademo connection (V2H).
It wasn't clear to me, but I got the impression that there was only the CHAdeMO connector, no slow AC charge connector at all.

Could this be the future? All DC charging? No On Board Charrger at all?
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Not a chance.

If you really did see only CHAdeMO you can chalk it up to mock up/prototype
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:42 am

danrjones wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am
As to only having a fast charge port, I've seen some CCS - like the Kia - that look like they only have one but that one port has pieces to do both.
So one port essentially does both Lvl2 and Fast charging on the Kia. The level 2 plug simply doesn't use the bottom prongs.
That's true for all BEVs with CCS DCFC in North America. E.g., the Bolt.

Only those that saddle you with CHAdeMO require 2 ports.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:58 pm

WetEV wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:28 am
danrjones wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am
Maybe it is just me, but I like having the charge port on the front.
Me too.

I wonder what the reasoning is.
My guess is that the front middle is prime position for a suite of Pro Pilot related gear: ladars, millimetre wave radar, cameras, etc. They made a bit of a deal about the front grille sporting all that tech in one of the videos.
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Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:39 pm

^^ makes sense although I prefer reserving the nose for bumping into things
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