johnlocke
Posts: 523
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:47 pm
Delivery Date: 14 Dec 2015
Leaf Number: 300582

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:08 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:30 am
jdcbomb wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:10 pm
I'm seriously hoping the charge port is not there...but this "concept" appears to be arriving showrooms next fall for deliveries in 2021.
...
Article with pricing and details: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2954 ... otos-info/
Says who? Did Nissan say that? Source?

From watching the video, the car still seems way too concept-y and not something they would produce even for 2021.

Here's Nissan's press release: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releas ... motor-show.


I was at Tokyo Motor Show in late 2009 and saw the Leaf on stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-A3gyCc_Uk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rUCa2SA_Do). I have some pics of it still.

Here's a pic that year's motor show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Le ... af_013.JPG. I have a pic of the basically the same thing but worse. https://imgur.com/a/27eA9qh is one I happen to have but not as zoomed in to include the door and more of the seat.

What they shipped in Dec 2010 wasn't that far off from that.

Seems like C&D is just guessing. I'm not sure how confident I am about that guess.
I heard reports that dealers have already been shown a 2021 model with the same features. Dec 2020 looks like it could be doable and there doesn't seem to be any tech that would be out of reach. Add to that the model Y is now due summer of 2020 and the ID4 next fall, Nissan can't afford to fall too far behind. An extra year would really put Nissan at the tail end and the Leaf+ really can't compete with them in the meantime. Also Nissan doesn't usually assign a model Name like Ariya until late in development. It might not have the fancy dash when the production model arrives but most of the exterior and running gear will be there.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

cwerdna
Posts: 10014
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:35 am

johnlocke wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:08 pm
I heard reports that dealers have already been shown a 2021 model with the same features. Dec 2020 looks like it could be doable and there doesn't seem to be any tech that would be out of reach. Add to that the model Y is now due summer of 2020 and the ID4 next fall, Nissan can't afford to fall too far behind. An extra year would really put Nissan at the tail end and the Leaf+ really can't compete with them in the meantime. Also Nissan doesn't usually assign a model Name like Ariya until late in development. It might not have the fancy dash when the production model arrives but most of the exterior and running gear will be there.
Just because dealers may have been shown something doesn't mean it's close to ready. They could just be trying to gauge feedback and perceptions. Nissan has always shown concepts at Tokyo Motor Show and other major auto shows. Many, if not most don't become production vehicles.

For reference, here's what I quickly found Nissan showing in some past Tokyo Motor Shows (which happen only every other year):
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/MOTORSHOW/2017/TOKYO/
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/MOTORSHOW/2015/TOKYO/
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/MOTORSHOW/2013/TOKYO/
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/MOTORSHOW/2011/TOKYO/
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/MOTORS ... tokyo.html - don't have a great equivalent of the above but here are some pics for 09: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/ ... w/?slide=1

Here's what NissanUSA currently has: https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/future-concept.html.

Here was the Nissan Resonance concept unveiled in Jan 2013:
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DESIGN ... RESONANCE/
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releas ... lang=en-US
https://www.tomwoodnissan.com/blog/2013 ... murano.htm

Notice the assigned names?

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

cwerdna
Posts: 10014
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:13 am

WetEV wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:28 am
danrjones wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am
Maybe it is just me, but I like having the charge port on the front.
Me too. Most of the DCQC stations are nose in, so the charge port in the front works well. Charge port on the side is a loser in tight parking.

I wonder what the reasoning is.
As someone who has driven Leaf for over 6 years and has had my Bolt since Feb 2019, I can safely say a driver's side fender inlet location is really inferior for the way most DC FC and L2 setups are in the US.

You don't really realize it as much until you have to deal with it. I posted about why at viewtopic.php?p=548912#p548912.

And, now that I've actually used my Bolt's SAE Combo inlet a bunch of times, I also have to make sure I park close enough so the cable can reach over to the side. At two DC FC's at ChargePoint HQ, I feel like I have to get real close (forward) vs. what my Surround Vision camera shows in order for it to reach.

IMHO, it would be quite a disappointment if Nissan shipped a vehicle w/a long hood and inlets on the sides.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

powersurge
Posts: 1591
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:24 am
Delivery Date: 06 Dec 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:53 am

Since Nissan hailed the car a "concept" implies that it is not even close to production. Also those strange names sound like the "codenames" for the project, not the actual car, which will have a more common name.... I mean..... "LEAF"... That was simple! The next EV may be the "LEAF II"!!

Evoforce
Posts: 921
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:58 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Feb 2015
Location: Fountain Hills Arizona

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:36 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:13 am
WetEV wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:28 am
danrjones wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:18 am
Maybe it is just me, but I like having the charge port on the front.
Me too. Most of the DCQC stations are nose in, so the charge port in the front works well. Charge port on the side is a loser in tight parking.

I wonder what the reasoning is.
As someone who has driven Leaf for over 6 years and has had my Bolt since Feb 2019, I can safely say a driver's side fender inlet location is really inferior for the way most DC FC and L2 setups are in the US.

You don't really realize it as much until you have to deal with it. I posted about why at viewtopic.php?p=548912#p548912.

And, now that I've actually used my Bolt's SAE Combo inlet a bunch of times, I also have to make sure I park close enough so the cable can reach over to the side. At two DC FC's at ChargePoint HQ, I feel like I have to get real close (forward) vs. what my Surround Vision camera shows in order for it to reach.

IMHO, it would be quite a disappointment if Nissan shipped a vehicle w/a long hood and inlets on the sides.
+1
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

jdcbomb
Posts: 226
Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 12:17 pm
Delivery Date: 18 May 2015

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:55 pm

I just watched the actual press conference playback and their SVP made this clear: "These are not typical concepts. These are cars you soon will be able to drive "

At 9:05: https://youtu.be/Lcdhe5u_KpI

That seems to tell me that both the Ariya and iMk are close to production...but is that 1 year or 2 years from now?

In contrast, there was never that clear of "soon you will be able to drive" statements for the iMx etc.

Also, it seems only one non Nissan dude got a chance to basically go inside the Ariya where you can see everything about the space / materials / (only in Japanese): https://youtu.be/A7UlOxYBJzQ
2018 SL - In Service 2019 JUN - 2019 OCT 96.7 SOH
2018 SV - In Service 2019 JAN - Location: Raleigh, NC - 2019 OCT 93.7 SOH
2013 SL - In Service 2013 FEB, Sold 2018 JUN (50,050 mi) - 4 Bars Lost (44,255 mi)

lorenfb
Posts: 2296
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:53 pm
Delivery Date: 22 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:09 pm

MOTORTREND:
Twin-Motor Nissan Leaf Is an Electric Hot Hatch With 501 LB-FT of Torque
Nissan revealed a prototype Leaf electric vehicle that showcases technology that will arrive in its next generation of EVs. Based on the Leaf Plus, which has a larger battery than the standard Leaf and an EPA-estimated range of 215 to 226 miles, depending on trim level, this demo vehicle packs two electric motors, one mounted on each axle, and 17-inch wheels shod with staggered-width tires. The prototype even gets wider fenders that hint at its performance aspirations.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/twin-mo ... of-torque/
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

LeftieBiker
Moderator
Posts: 13796
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 am
Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2018
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:49 pm

Looks like we may finally have a NISMO (BiSMO?) Leaf worth noting.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
BAFX OBDII Dongle
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

SageBrush
Posts: 4907
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 am
Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:49 am

This could be a LEAF in wolf's clothing but I'm more inclined to think that NIssan is moving on from LEAF tech to catch up to its rivals.
Perhaps the LEAF will continue to be sold in downstream markets and China but I doubt it. For one, those markets are warmer climates and particularly inhospitable to LEAF tech; and second, Nissan has to now compete with Tesla manufactured in China.

I read somewhere else (take it as rumor) that the old AESC factory is transitioning to NMC 811 cathode cell chemistry. Since Nissan has a supply contract with the new owners the roll-out of this car will be tied to the battery factory successful transition to new battery chemistry and Nissan's ability to add a new BMS and a TMS.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

powersurge
Posts: 1591
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:24 am
Delivery Date: 06 Dec 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

Re: 300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:40 am

lorenfb wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:09 pm
MOTORTREND:
Twin-Motor Nissan Leaf Is an Electric Hot Hatch With 501 LB-FT of Torque
Nissan revealed a prototype Leaf electric vehicle that showcases technology that will arrive in its next generation of EVs. Based on the Leaf Plus, which has a larger battery than the standard Leaf and an EPA-estimated range of 215 to 226 miles, depending on trim level, this demo vehicle packs two electric motors, one mounted on each axle, and 17-inch wheels shod with staggered-width tires. The prototype even gets wider fenders that hint at its performance aspirations.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/twin-mo ... of-torque/
Adding a SECOND motor sounds like a teenager trying to supercharge his gocart... If an additional motor was added, that would mean extra weight AND where you they put the DOUBLE BATTERY you would need to power it??? Sounds like a weak attempt to make a Nissan EV headline out of nothing...

Return to “News & Main LEAF Discussion”