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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:57 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:42 pm
.until Tesla makes a CCS adapter. Then all bets are off.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/fil ... ter_en.pdf

They just need to offer it in North America if I am not mistaken. That and probably a software update to deal with the more complicated CCS protocol which again is already done in Europe.

I am happy to see Chademo still being installed if I am wrong though.

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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:02 pm

salyavin wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:57 pm
webeleafowners wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:42 pm
.until Tesla makes a CCS adapter. Then all bets are off.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/fil ... ter_en.pdf

They just need to offer it in North America if I am not mistaken. That and probably a software update to deal with the more complicated CCS protocol which again is already done in Europe.

I am happy to see Chademo still being installed if I am wrong though.
Yep. Tesla doesn't see the need yet to release a CCS connector in North America. I get it. Competition for the Supercharger network etc. Until that changes this is how we roll. And for what it's worth, a model 3 when over about 80 percent doesn't charge any slower with a chademo charger than on a Supercharger. Handy to know when doing a top up for a long stretch or whatever. Down around 20 or 25 percent however a Supercharge will squash in electrons at 250 kw. Starts to taper off after about 40 percent. This is assuming a V3 Supercharger. V2's are about 150 max under same conditions. But when on a Chademo like the one in the picture it doesn't matter if the Chademo station is a 100 KW Petrocan charger or a 50 KW BC Hydro charger as the fastest it will charge is around 48 to 49 KW. Woohoo. ;)

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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:10 pm

So maybe it was Ghosn all along who was the Chademo fan? :)

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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:24 pm

Tesla's adapter is limited to 50kw so yes you will always max out in the 40s. Tesla could update it but probably don't feel like it is worth it.

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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:28 pm

salyavin wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:24 pm
Tesla's adapter is limited to 50kw so yes you will always max out in the 40s. Tesla could update it but probably don't feel like it is worth it.
It’s already kinda bulky and heavy, but don’t get me wrong. It is a god send in this part of the continent. BC is closing in on 170 Chademo locations vs 18 or maybe 19 Supercharger locations. Not complaining, just wishing. :).
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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:51 pm

I have observed broken CCS connectors several times on EVgo units. The latches seem to break often which is scary because a high-voltage, high-current connector coming loose under load could be spectacular. I always considered the CHAdeMO connectors to be much more robust (like a welding connector) and was chagrinned when IEEE and SAE supported CCS (almost cancelled my IEEE membership because I disagreed with their endorsement of CCS and a couple other issues). Unfortunately, CHAdeMO will fade away in the USA--I am already seeing old stations in the Phoenix area being removed. One of the reasons I purchased the SL Plus last year was to have enough range (even with battery deterioration after several years) to satisfy my daily driving needs so that I would not need to depend upon DCQC. Since my car has bidirectional capability, I will consider a bidirectional CHAdeMO home unit if they ever become available at a somewhat reasonable price for backup power (or even peak shaving) and faster charging during off peak hours.
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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:42 pm

A bidirectional unit was due to be released this year in the US but it is quite pricey, I bet it gets pulled now. I had thought about it off and on but as it is a significant investment and locks one to Chademo I decided not to go for it when it gets released (if it gets released). By pricey I am saying 4000 dollars for a home charger, as it is a 20kw bidirectional DC charger I think that price is fair but at the same time not worth it due to chademo lock in and end of chademo even for Nissan.

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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:10 am

Since Nissan is developing a CCS inteface for Ariya, one can hope they might offer a retrofit for the Leaf. It might cost 5K, but one can hope.
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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:11 am

salyavin wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:57 pm
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/fil ... ter_en.pdf

They just need to offer it in North America if I am not mistaken. That and probably a software update to deal with the more complicated CCS protocol which again is already done in Europe.
As I understand it (from reading threats at TMC where people know the details), it's not that simple. Tesla was already using a Type 2 Mennekes connector in EU, so the internal hardware of the charging port was different.
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Re: CHAdeMO dead?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:26 am

OK thank you for that, it may buy Chademo a little more time for new installs, I suspect Tesla will start making that in the future for the US though with Nissan going CCS.

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