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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:18 am

Statik wrote:Good month, Nissan sold 1,579 LEAFs, thats up 60%.
...and some shameless self-promotion:
Advertising + Cheap Leases Equals Big Sales Gains For Nissan LEAF. 1,579 Sold In October
http://insideevs.com/advertising-cheap- ... n-october/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This should help the LEAF Dec sales. $5k off. The sale of a couple dozen over the Volt got them some good press as well.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=10848" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:01 pm

I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new- ... on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 pm

scottf200 wrote:I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new- ... on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050
Why the hell do you care ?

Are you afraid that the Leaf might outsell the Volt again ?
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:09 pm

KJD wrote:Why the hell do you care ?
Are you afraid that the Leaf might outsell the Volt again ?
Actually I think it would be great (good trade off) because it will help the acceptance of all BEV and PHEV.
More cars powered by electricity the better.

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Plus this will make the other manufacturers lower their prices. Competition is good.
Price is a major complaint by the masses for all the BEV and PHEVs.
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:14 pm

Is time for GM to update Volt. I am not talking price only, but make it really 4 person car, back access is terrible.

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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:34 pm

I think Nissan will make a relatively modest profit on the 2013 LEAF if it doesn't have to offer further incentives to bring US sales to over 5,000 a month, as I'm guessing they will at by the end of the 2013 model year.

GM, like all the compliance BEV sellers, will now have to cut prices of the Spark EV further in order to remain competitive, and will lose even more on each sale of these low-volume compliance cars.

And I expect GM will continue to lose money on each Volt it sells, indefinitely.

I'll add my 2013 MY guess for GM sales to the sales number guess I posted for the LEAF last week.

Volt: 34,000.

Spark EV: (MY 2014, sales by year end 2013) 3,100.
I agree with others, (2013 LEAF S price) probably just shy of $30k.

But I think there is an outside chance the "S" could be severely de-contented and priced just under $27,500, so that Nissan could advertise it as "starting under $20,000, after tax credit".

You probably won't see many low price "stripper" LEAFs on the dealer's lots anyway, as they will be just as uncommon as the loss-leader "starting at...$ "stripper" ICEVs.

While I'm at it, I'm also guessing the 2013 LEAF EPA range will be ~79 miles, and that the total USA 2013 MY LEAF sales will be ~48,000, ending in ~October, when the nearly-identical 2014 MY will hit the dealerships.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11165" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scottf200 wrote:I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new- ... on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:47 pm

Use the relevent threads to discuss 2013 pricing, pls.
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:18 pm

edatoakrun wrote:I think Nissan will make a relatively modest profit on the 2013 LEAF if it doesn't have to offer further incentives to bring US sales to over 5,000 a month, as I'm guessing they will at by the end of the 2013 model year...
5000 a month? That seems a stretch given that most people can't be bothered to learn how a short range commuter car can be a worthwhile purchase.

I'd be surprised and pleased if LEAF sales consistently reached 2000 a month. Nissan has a long way to go to get there.
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:02 pm

evnow wrote:Use the relevent threads to discuss 2013 pricing, pls.
Worldwide sales/cuts to increase sales.

Nissan Cuts LEAF Price In Europe By €3,000 ($4,000 USD)
http://insideevs.com/nissan-cuts-leaf-p ... -4000-usd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nissan Slashes 2013 Entry Level LEAF Pricing In Japan By $3,100 To Offset End Of Subsidies And Increase Demand
http://insideevs.com/nissan-slashes-201 ... se-demand/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2013 Nissan LEAF: $199 Lease Details, Sale Date For Canada, More Battery Production In The US
http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-1 ... in-the-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Worldwide Plugin Sales Numbers

Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:50 am

No news about 2012 japan's sells?
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