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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:57 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:41 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:46 am
I don't recall what SV gets a customer compared to an 'S' model.

In 2016 it gets the heat pump, telematics, alloy wheels, and available Premium Package.
How about a 30kwh battery. The S still has the 24kwh.
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That is apparently true some of the time.
Paige Presley of the communications group at Nissan North America wrote:

We have made a running change to the 2016 Leaf S model to equip it with 30-kwh battery packs as standard equipment, offering best-in-class range across all trim levels for Leaf.

Additionally, all 2016 Leaf S vehicles equipped with the 30-kwh battery pack will also come with the Quick Charge Package as a standard feature.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:17 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:41 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:46 am
I don't recall what SV gets a customer compared to an 'S' model.

In 2016 it gets the heat pump, telematics, alloy wheels, and available Premium Package.
How about a 30kwh battery. The S still has the 24kwh.
I was wondering when someone was going to point out that very important addition ;)
Man, now I see why people used to be restricted from posting in the "for sale" section of this site, when was that restriction lifted any way and why? If a seller and potential customer need to converse, there is always the PM function.
I mean here we have a seller paying money(at least you used to have to pay to become a member to list things for sale in this forum.....) to list his ad and he's got nothing but hassles from some of the regulars saying how high his price is. I'm not going to comment on the price, if I felt it was too high(and was in the market) I'd either ignore his ad and roll my eyes or if I thought it was within the ballpark and thought the seller would come down on their price, I'd PM them with an offer.
I for one see an advantage of being able to use a car for some time and then when I wanted before the warranty wore out, getting a new battery assuming and I feel it's a pretty good assumption it will drop to 8 bars. Now it's a risk, it might not drop but IMO it's a pretty good chance. Of course if you need the range NOW, it's probably not a good deal for you also what someone said about "a bird in the hand" is fitting, it's not a guarantee it will drop and if your not willing to take the chance, it's probably not a good deal for you.
Performance Motors, please stop trying to change the minds of some members of this forum, it's just not going to happen :) I understand the desire to do that but just like some members of our political system, there is NO way they are going to lose an argument or be wrong and you are just knocking your head against a brick wall.......

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:21 pm

jjeff wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:17 pm
I was wondering when someone was going to point out that very important addition ;)
Man, now I see why people used to be restricted from posting in the "for sale" section of this site, when was that restriction lifted any way and why? If a seller and potential customer need to converse, there is always the PM function.
I mean here we have a seller paying money(at least you used to have to pay to become a member to list things for sale in this forum.....) to list his ad and he's got nothing but hassles from some of the regulars saying how high his price is. I'm not going to comment on the price, if I felt it was too high(and was in the market) I'd either ignore his ad and roll my eyes or if I thought it was within the ballpark and thought the seller would come down on their price, I'd PM them with an offer.
I for one see an advantage of being able to use a car for some time and then when I wanted before the warranty wore out, getting a new battery assuming and I feel it's a pretty good assumption it will drop to 8 bars. Now it's a risk, it might not drop but IMO it's a pretty good chance. Of course if you need the range NOW, it's probably not a good deal for you also what someone said about "a bird in the hand" is fitting, it's not a guarantee it will drop and if your not willing to take the chance, it's probably not a good deal for you.
Performance Motors, please stop trying to change the minds of some members of this forum, it's just not going to happen :) I understand the desire to do that but just like some members of our political system, there is NO way they are going to lose an argument or be wrong and you are just knocking your head against a brick wall.......

This is a good point.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:08 pm

jjeff wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:17 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:41 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:46 am



In 2016 it gets the heat pump, telematics, alloy wheels, and available Premium Package.
How about a 30kwh battery. The S still has the 24kwh.
I was wondering when someone was going to point out that very important addition ;)
Man, now I see why people used to be restricted from posting in the "for sale" section of this site, when was that restriction lifted any way and why? If a seller and potential customer need to converse, there is always the PM function.
I mean here we have a seller paying money(at least you used to have to pay to become a member to list things for sale in this forum.....) to list his ad and he's got nothing but hassles from some of the regulars saying how high his price is. I'm not going to comment on the price, if I felt it was too high(and was in the market) I'd either ignore his ad and roll my eyes or if I thought it was within the ballpark and thought the seller would come down on their price, I'd PM them with an offer.
I for one see an advantage of being able to use a car for some time and then when I wanted before the warranty wore out, getting a new battery assuming and I feel it's a pretty good assumption it will drop to 8 bars. Now it's a risk, it might not drop but IMO it's a pretty good chance. Of course if you need the range NOW, it's probably not a good deal for you also what someone said about "a bird in the hand" is fitting, it's not a guarantee it will drop and if your not willing to take the chance, it's probably not a good deal for you.
Performance Motors, please stop trying to change the minds of some members of this forum, it's just not going to happen :) I understand the desire to do that but just like some members of our political system, there is NO way they are going to lose an argument or be wrong and you are just knocking your head against a brick wall.......
Good advice.. thanks

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:14 pm

I wanted to add that I looked at the warranty book earlier.. and the battery capacity warranty on a 30kwh battery is indeed 8yrs/100k miles. So for this leaf, you do have until April of 2024 to loose the 9th bar to qualify under the warranty.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:29 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:14 pm
I wanted to add that I looked at the warranty book earlier.. and the battery capacity warranty on a 30kwh battery is indeed 8yrs/100k miles. So for this leaf, you do have until April of 2024 to loose the 9th bar to qualify under the warranty.
This means the car is basically guaranteed to get a new battery. Make sure you take it in the dealership for the battery checkups. :)

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:00 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:30 am
sendler2112 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:18 am
Your link sent me to a 16 Leaf S with 33,900 miles for $10,000.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/deta ... /overview/
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THAT is a deal worth checking out. First sale was 6/2016 so the battery warranty extends out to 6/2024 IIRC that this model has the 8yr/100k warranty. Fair chance that the car would work out to $1,000 a year over its remaining useful life. I'm presuming that the battery gets replaced in 2-4 years.
Update: A free VIN check on this car suggests that it is a 24 kWh model. Midway into 2016 the 'S' model was upgraded from 24 to 30 kWh. One way to figure out the battery size is to look at the curb weight: the 24 kWh model was under 3300 lbs. Neither the dealership or the VIN check I was able to read for free discloses new car range or battery size.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:38 am

Lothsahn wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:29 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:14 pm
I wanted to add that I looked at the warranty book earlier.. and the battery capacity warranty on a 30kwh battery is indeed 8yrs/100k miles. So for this leaf, you do have until April of 2024 to loose the 9th bar to qualify under the warranty.
This means the car is basically guaranteed to get a new battery. Make sure you take it in the dealership for the battery checkups. :)
It was always guaranteed. Just more believers this way. :)

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $14900

Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:17 am

Almost a month ago I picked up a 2016 Leaf SL with $2K of factory options showing 9/12 SOH bars at 21.6K miles that looks new inside and out that was just off a 3 year lease and being sold at a Nissan dealership. Another dealer had the same car, miles and options that was about an hour farther away showing 12/12 SOH bars. Both dealers were trying to get $16K.

I was interested in the one I bought because it was showing 9/12 bars so I could learn more about the reality of the 30 wKh battery degradation issue and how the software "fix" worked its magic. I do not question the validity of the software patch any longer based on research on the degradation issue. If it is a true degradation it will not give the bars back as I understand it.

Now after about 15 L2 charges LSP reports all blue battery bars coming in in the 4.08 volt average. LSPro is reporting SOH at 64% of Gids when fully charged. The Gids actually are about on target for the 24 wKh battery new. I have driven it with Gids as low as 7 and back at the charger running the heat, etc Gids dropped to 6 and the turtle and reduced power message popped but I did not drive it so I do not know it the turtle was for real or just due to the LBC telling the car it was out of power.

What I would like to do is put the generator into the PU that has the 14-50 outlet and drive it until it dies then just charge it on the side of the road to get back home. One research project found many of the Leafs kept going to the 100+mile mark with the dash info just blank.

Price wise I think the $16K if a fully loaded SL with all factor options at around 20K miles and looks new like is a standard starting point on the internet. The dealer salesman had printed out the battery 8 year/ 100K mile coverage before I got there because he agreed 9/12 for a low mileage 2016 was a selling problem for sure.

Great guy and we just talked as adults about the car and my concerns about the car. Fully charged then and now the range is 60-70 real miles. He wanted me to make an offer so I did. Actually I was looking at a 2015 that CL seller was asking $12K that I had pulled together the money but at the last minute I found our 2016 in the opposite direction and decided to see it first. I offered the $12K since I was ready to pay that for a 2015 with the 4 external cameras. They came back with a $13,400 offer after they huddled for about 20 minutes in the next office. They had bought the car from Nissan newly off lease and had it on the lot over a month. I was told in hindsight they had overpaid Nissan for the car so they came off $2500. Actually the KBB high price from a dealership was about what I paid anyway. Nearly 2 years of power train coverage and nearly 5 on the battery was a huge plus over a CL Leaf so without any haggle I asked if they would put the difference on a CC and they said they would. They went with me to get a U-Haul car trailer and loaded it for me due to my age and physical limitations and I got it home that night at 11 pm.

Personally I think paying over $13K for a decked out low mileage 2016 Leaf SL showing 9/12 SOH bars is nothing to brag about. The reality there are not many Leafs with 4 exterior cameras on the market in mid America and used Leaf prices are on the uptick since EV interest in the $15K range is picking up. This was the first Leaf that I ever touched or drove. Buying from a actual Nissan dealership and the 9/12 bar condition being noted on the sales invoice was a plus in my mine over buying from a stranger off CL.

Next month I may get the LBM software update done and see the results if any. With a SOH of 64% per Leaf Spy with nearly 5 years of battery coverage I feel OK but would like to have 100+ range sooner than later. By the way a new battery is not a sure thing because they are repairing/replacing bad cells they days I read.

I am very pleased with our deal even it I paid more than I wanted so could get started learning about EV's since I want to get 3 more into the family over time. Yesterday I had to drive the 2010 Subaru Forest with 140K miles and it would not just stop without using the brakes. :)

In fact after 3 weeks I can not see wanting to go back to a non EV.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $14900

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:05 pm

I was interested in the one I bought because it was showing 9/12 bars so I could learn more about the reality of the 30 wKh battery degradation issue and how the software "fix" worked its magic. I do not question the validity of the software patch any longer based on research on the degradation issue. If it is a true degradation it will not give the bars back as I understand it.

You don't quite understand. The lost bars will return after the update, if only because they usually seem to reboot the battery management computer when they do the update. Then the regained capacity bars may or may not stay. It's essentially a crapshoot unless you either do a range test for about 20 miles, or use Sagebrush's charge capacity test, before buying, to determine if the battery is degraded or not.
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