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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:37 am
by SageBrush
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm
then the only way to ascertain the true capacity is to do a range test by fully charging and then driving the car a substantial fraction of 107 miles.
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The simpler way is to charge up the battery at a metered EVSE or DC fast charger

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:01 pm
by LeftieBiker
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:37 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm
then the only way to ascertain the true capacity is to do a range test by fully charging and then driving the car a substantial fraction of 107 miles.
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The simpler way is to charge up the battery at a metered EVSE or DC fast charger

Don't you need to get it down to just about Turtle and then charge to 100%? Driving it 20 miles after a full charge seems easier to me.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:34 pm
by SageBrush
LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:01 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:37 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm
then the only way to ascertain the true capacity is to do a range test by fully charging and then driving the car a substantial fraction of 107 miles.
.
The simpler way is to charge up the battery at a metered EVSE or DC fast charger

Don't you need to get it down to just about Turtle and then charge to 100%? Driving it 20 miles after a full charge seems easier to me.
No.
Just normalize the SoC change

E.g.,
If the car took 5 kWh to raise the SoC 30% then the entire battery would be 5/0.3

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm
by SageBrush
Back to OP:
$15.5k + $8k = $23.5k for a used '2015 LEAF with a (hopefully) good 24 kWh battery.
Back in the day when the cars were new, the car sold for ~ $15k after tax credits.

I think this car is ~ $10k overpriced.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm
by PerformanceMotors
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm
Back to OP:
$15.5k + $8k = $23.5k for a used '2015 LEAF with a (hopefully) good 24 kWh battery.
Back in the day when the cars were new, the car sold for ~ $15k after tax credits.

I think this car is ~ $10k overpriced.
I think you are missing the point entirely. This car qualifies for a new 30Kwh battery under the Nissan 5 year/60K mile battery warranty. There are used 2016 Leaf SV that won't get a new battery under warranty being sold for more than this.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:08 pm
by SageBrush
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm
Back to OP:
$15.5k + $8k = $23.5k for a used '2015 LEAF with a (hopefully) good 24 kWh battery.
Back in the day when the cars were new, the car sold for ~ $15k after tax credits.

I think this car is ~ $10k overpriced.
I think you are missing the point entirely. This car qualifies for a new 30Kwh battery under the Nissan 5 year/60K mile battery warranty. There are used 2016 Leaf SV that won't get a new battery under warranty being sold for more than this.
You are right -- I missed the point (unless the battery makes it through 5yr/60k.)
Still too expensive, but at least you are in the negotiation neighborhood.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:18 pm
by PerformanceMotors
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:08 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm
Back to OP:
$15.5k + $8k = $23.5k for a used '2015 LEAF with a (hopefully) good 24 kWh battery.
Back in the day when the cars were new, the car sold for ~ $15k after tax credits.

I think this car is ~ $10k overpriced.
I think you are missing the point entirely. This car qualifies for a new 30Kwh battery under the Nissan 5 year/60K mile battery warranty. There are used 2016 Leaf SV that won't get a new battery under warranty being sold for more than this.
You are right -- I missed the point (unless the battery makes it through 5yr/60k.)
Still too expensive, but at least you are in the negotiation neighborhood.

Going by Leaf Spy, I think it would just take a couple more points of SOH to drop to 8 bars.. I think the 9th bar drops around 64 or 65%.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:31 pm
by goldbrick
For 30kWh batteries I believe the capacity warranty is 8 years/100k miles. If the BMS update has been done this car seems like a good deal if you want to take the chance on getting a new battery.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:30 pm
by LeftieBiker
goldbrick wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:31 pm
For 30kWh batteries I believe the capacity warranty is 8 years/100k miles. If the BMS update has been done this car seems like a good deal if you want to take the chance on getting a new battery.

And if the BMS update was not done, it will likely gain at least two bars after it is.

Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:37 am
by powersurge
I think that a 2016 with a bad battery would be in the $9-10K direction. For $15k you can get an already great, car, possibly newer than that.

The potential buyer is taking all of the risk and would need to do all the work of negotiations with Nissan, and then not have the car for a week... At least.