DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:43 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:46 pm
ID4 with 3 years free power, and potential price post incentives in the mid 20s sounds pretty appealing. Form factor is nice too.

Non-Tesla fast charging is popping up around the country at an accerating rate.


2021 is going to be a crazy year for EVs, even here in the US.
I see a product with limited availability with minimal manufacturer's discount for at least a year if not more. Pictures are nice but if the flesh and blood doesn't make a greater impression on me, I will have to pass despite being in a position where I would have 100% free fuel for the entire 3 years.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 25,047 mi, 92.12% SOH
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ksonofre
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:57 am

Hi all,

Firstly, thank you for the abundance of the information that can be found here in the forum! Sorry if I put this question in the wrong topic...

Recently, I became an owner of a Nissan Leaf 2016 Tekna. The car is well preserved as it was driven only sporadically (in total it has travelled less than 7000 km). Then, I started looking on the internet and this forum for the information. Also, I used Leaf Spy Pro to measure info about the car during the last month.

Now, if I am reading Leaf Spy Pro output correctly (TripChrgLog_*.csv file), the info says that the battery capacity seems to be dropping quite significantly (1.4% in 100 km, measured in 18 days during this October 2020):

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Also, I have made a screenshot of the ECU software versions:

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The dashboard shows 11/12 battery capacity lines.

My question is: is this normal and do these software versions or the battery warrant updates or replacements? Do I need to make any other proof before asking Nissan or my local garage for an update? The car was bought in Austria but I live in Croatia (both are EU countries).

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

goldbrick
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Location: Boulder, CO

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 am

The version number of 'HV BATTERY' which is 4NR4A seems to indicate that the car hasn't had the update done yet. The only definitive information I could find is for the US and it doesn't list 4NR4A as one of the affected firmware revisions but other sources say the important datum is the last letter. 'A' or 'B' indicate the update is required and 'C' indicates the update has been done.

I'd take it to a dealer and have them look it up. It will be required before any battery warranty is done anyway and the update should be free.

jimfurlong
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:26 pm

heres my data on my 2016 30kw

330 GIDS
SOh 92.48%
Hx 77.92%
97,000 km (60273 Miles)
67 QC's
2070 L1/L2

my battery seems to be holding up well
2016 leaf S 30 kwh

ksonofre
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:47 am

goldbrick wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 am
The version number of 'HV BATTERY' which is 4NR4A seems to indicate that the car hasn't had the update done yet. The only definitive information I could find is for the US and it doesn't list 4NR4A as one of the affected firmware revisions but other sources say the important datum is the last letter. 'A' or 'B' indicate the update is required and 'C' indicates the update has been done.

I'd take it to a dealer and have them look it up. It will be required before any battery warranty is done anyway and the update should be free.
Thanks a lot - I will contact the local dealer and have them look it up. In the meantime, I am constantly gathering data from LeafSpy Pro to get all the info I can on the degradation.

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:53 pm

Nov 1 update. 290 GID's, SOH=79.75%, Hx=58.93%. 82987 total miles, 38058 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1635 l2 total, 761 on new battery. I'm driving a lot less now so wear and tear on the battery is less but it's still losing power at about the same rate per mile as before. I lost 6 GID's last month even with less driving. It still looks like I won't hit the 4 bar down mark before the 100K warranty limit. Despite the tax incentives and new battery, I just can't see buying another Nissan. Their attitude toward the Leaf and the lack of support regarding battery replacement have soured me on the brand. Tesla is still in the lead and if Biden wins the election and reinstates the EV tax credit for American auto manufacturers, that would make it a slam dunk for me. Volkswagen is still in the running with the current regulations and tax breaks but the ID4 doesn't seem compelling compared to a Model 3.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

tomhanman
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Delivery Date: 28 Feb 2020
Leaf Number: 037664

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:24 am

Hi all sorry I missed a month.

I did a 600km in a day journey in my 2016 30kWh a week ago. The battery got hot (first red bar) but it worked. Left home fully charged at 8am tyres pumped up and new oil in the transfer box. Stopped for four DC quick charges, about every 130kms at 110kmh (on the dial) and got home with about 15% remaining at just before 8pm! Took a long time, wouldn't buy the car to do that every day, but as I don't do that every day I am pretty happy.

Plus, as happened last time I used DC chargers intensively, it doesn't seem to have had an adverse effect on the battery...

Nov 13 update. 298 GID's, SOH=81.95%, Hx=58.56%. 65563kms (40,740 miles) 50qc, 1816 L1/l2 total.

1 gid lost in 2.5 months 1600 miles.

Don't buy a VW just because the government wants to appease the German giant after it lied to us for years... Hold on doesn't that sound familiar?

Good luck everyone, I've just realised it's Friday the 13th 😱

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:13 pm

Dec 1 update. 285 GID's, SOH=78.76%, Hx=52.48%. 83654 total miles, 38725 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1654 l2 total, 780 on new battery. I'm driving a lot less now so wear and tear on the battery is less but it's still losing power at about the same rate per month as before. I lost 5 GID's last month even with less driving. It's possible that I will hit 4 bars down before the100K warranty limit. If it continues at the same rate, I'll hit 8 bars at around 94,000 miles. That would give about 50,000 miles on the second battery. If I got a third battery before the warranty expires and it was a 40KWH unit, I might keep the Leaf for a couple more years. Otherwise I'll probably trade it in. It may depend on whether or not the new administration puts new tax credits in place for USA built EV's. It may be a matter of just getting a longer range EV. I don't notice it so much on a daily basis but we were evacuated during the last fire for a week and the problem with daily charging was painfully evident. Also as I lose range on the Leaf, keeping it charged in case I have to make an unexpected trip becomes a requirement. Although the 40KWH would help a lot, It's not enough to fully solve the problem and I still worry about the degradation of the battery over time.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:44 pm

Jan 1, 2021 update. 285 GID's, SOH=78.52%, Hx=52.10%. 84146 total miles, 39217 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1668 l2 total, 794 on new battery. I'm still not driving a lot these days. No real change in the battery this month, It is cool and mostly dry here which is easy on the battery. It is still iffy that the battery will lose 4 bars before the warranty expires. Most likely is that it will lose the second bar shortly and most likely the third before the warranty expires but the fourth won't drop in time. At this point I'm waiting to see what Biden does with domestic EV credits. The ID4 doesn't look like it will work as well a Tesla 3 or Y for me but the $7500 tax incentive is tempting. If I could get something similar on a Tesla, that would tip the scales to the Tesla. No matter how cheaply I could buy a Leaf right now, I don't trust Nissan to stand behind the car nor have they addressed the battery problem. The Aryia will address that issue but it won't be available till late this year or the beginning of next year and I still don't trust Nissan.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

tomhanman
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:51 pm

298 gids
82.05% SOH
58.74% Hx
65.21 AHr
67,354 km (41,851 miles)
54 QC 1844 L1/L2

That all sounds great, no gids lost and capacity supposedly slightly increased, but with recent sub zero temperatures the range has been reduced from about 150kms to nearer 115. And that is with the heat pump! Bring on spring.

Nissan, sadly, are probably best avoided going forward. But there are a lot more options coming online, it's no longer a choice between Vdevil and the Muskrat!

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