DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:49 am

tomhanman wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:51 pm
298 gids
82.05% SOH
58.74% Hx
65.21 AHr
67,354 km (41,851 miles)
54 QC 1844 L1/L2

That all sounds great, no gids lost and capacity supposedly slightly increased, but with recent sub zero temperatures the range has been reduced from about 150kms to nearer 115. And that is with the heat pump! Bring on spring.

Nissan, sadly, are probably best avoided going forward. But there are a lot more options coming online, it's no longer a choice between Vdevil and the Muskrat!
At that pace you will qualify for a warranty exchange. A 40 kwh replacement will likely go a long way towards changing your attitude about Nissan. It should be pretty much obvious the smaller battery packs simply did not fill our needs. Even EVs with TMS like the Focus did not do well. Current battery tech says we need more range than we plan to use. Shallower cycling, lower DC sessions while roadtripping, etc., simply doesn't work with small packs. Even if your needs are modest like 25 miles a day, you should be driving no less than a 150 mile EV. If you make more than 2 longer distance trips a month, then 200 plus should be your target.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 25,047 mi, 92.12% SOH
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:38 pm

Feb 1, 2021 update. 283 GID's, SOH=78.42%, Hx=52.10%. 84873 total miles, 39944 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1690 l2 total, 816 on new battery. I'm not driving a lot these days, maybe half of what I used to. No real change in the battery this month, It is cool and mostly dry here which is easy on the battery. It is still iffy that the battery will lose 4 bars before the warranty expires. Most likely is that it will lose the second bar shortly and most likely the third before the warranty expires but the fourth won't drop in time. I could look around for a 60KWH battery but I think I would be better off putting that $10K towards a new car instead. If I do get a second replacement battery, that just delays the inevitable. The software and hardware is improving so rapidly that even a 5 year old car is functionally obsolete.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:15 pm

Mar 1, 2021 update. 283 GID's, SOH=77.67%, Hx=51.04%. 85436 total miles, 40507 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1706 l2 total, 832 on new battery. I only drove about 550 miles last month and the stats have barely changed. I should be losing the second bar anytime now. Between the cool weather and not driving nearly as much, battery degradation has slowed considerably. I've pretty much decided on the Model Y as my next car. Just waiting to see if congress passes a new EV incentive package. The Leaf is becoming harder to manage just due to the excessive battery degradation. I'm down to a 75 mile range currently and any trip i make uses nearly half the battery due to having to come back up the hill coming home. If I could have gotten the 40 KWH battery instead of the 30 KWH when they replaced the original battery, I'd be in much better shape.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:29 am

Apr 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.43%, Hx=50.33%. 856134 total miles, 41205 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1728 total, 854 on new battery. I only drove about 700 miles last month and the stats have barely changed. Still waiting for the next bar to drop. This battery is holding up much better than the first one. I have nearly as many miles on this battery as I did on the first one and I still have about 24 KWH of battery left. At this rate, I'll hit 100,000 miles just before the battery hits the warranty limit. I just found out that the $2000 California CVRP may be ending soon. If so, do I wait and see if they reinstate the Federal rebate or buy now to capture the State rebate before it expires? The Leaf will do for now but It probably won't work for me if Covid restrictions are lifted and we get back to normal. If the battery was replaced under warranty, I could get a couple of more years out of it. If it got the 40 KWH battery as a replacement, I could drive it for as much as 4 more years. With out a warranty replacement though, I'll need a new car by next year at the latest and I might be better off just to bite the bullet now and buy a new car.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

SageBrush
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:10 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:29 am
Apr 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.43%, Hx=50.33%. 856134 total miles, 41205 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1728 total, 854 on new battery. I only drove about 700 miles last month and the stats have barely changed. Still waiting for the next bar to drop. This battery is holding up much better than the first one. I have nearly as many miles on this battery as I did on the first one and I still have about 24 KWH of battery left. At this rate, I'll hit 100,000 miles just before the battery hits the warranty limit. I just found out that the $2000 California CVRP may be ending soon. If so, do I wait and see if they reinstate the Federal rebate or buy now to capture the State rebate before it expires? The Leaf will do for now but It probably won't work for me if Covid restrictions are lifted and we get back to normal. If the battery was replaced under warranty, I could get a couple of more years out of it. If it got the 40 KWH battery as a replacement, I could drive it for as much as 4 more years. With out a warranty replacement though, I'll need a new car by next year at the latest and I might be better off just to bite the bullet now and buy a new car.
I'm waiting to see if the Feds renew the EV tax credit for Tesla, and you should too.
If your LEAF wins the 40 kWh pack replacement sweepstakes in the Fall, you will have two nice choices.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr @28k miles. 10/21: 53.4 Ahr @ 40k miles
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sat May 01, 2021 3:08 pm

May 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.39%, Hx=50.28%. 86870 total miles, 41941 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1752 total, 878 on new battery. Finally dropped the second bar. At this rate, i'll hit the third bar at about 97000 mi. So probably no third battery for me. Seems to me that I'll just have to wait for Biden's EV rebate plan to come through and buy a new car then. Tesla is still in the lead but I should have a lot more options by next year. Neither the Volkswagen nor the Mustang seem to be a good fit for me and the M3 SR+ costs less for about the same range and better software. A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sat May 01, 2021 4:59 pm

Not tempted with a new Plus for 40% less than an M3 SR+?
2019 S Plus (93.7% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (91.6% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sat May 01, 2021 11:12 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 4:59 pm
Not tempted with a new Plus for 40% less than an M3 SR+?
Did you not read how many batteries he's had to go through in under 100k miles? He needs active TMS for where he's living.
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
:: Model 3 LR (Turo) :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Model Y LR AWD (wife's) :: acquired 30 Dec '20
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun May 02, 2021 5:52 pm

The 2018+ packs hold up much better in the heat. The 30s were pretty bad.
2019 S Plus (93.7% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (91.6% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue May 04, 2021 9:35 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 5:52 pm
The 2018+ packs hold up much better in the heat. The 30s were pretty bad.
holding up better, or just big enough that degradation isn't as obvious until enough miles have accumulated? As long as there's no TMS, I wouldn't risk it in areas with extremely hot weather like AZ. Even the lizard packs (although better) had significant degradation in that area.
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
:: Model 3 LR (Turo) :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Model Y LR AWD (wife's) :: acquired 30 Dec '20
100% Zero transportation emissions (except when I walk) and loving it!

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