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SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:11 pm
by freeewilly
Starting October 2015, SCE is changing the minimum delivery charge from previous minimum of $2 per month to $10, this hurt Net Energy Metering customers (people with Solar).

Our energy charge remain the same, but at no time it can applied towards to non-energy related charges.

https://www.sce.com/wps/wcm/myconnect/d ... OD=AJPERES

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:27 pm
by TomT
Frankly, it seems like a reasonable change...
freeewilly wrote:Starting October 2015, SCE is changing the minimum delivery charge from previous minimum of $2 per month to $10, this hurt Net Energy Metering customers (people with Solar).

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:47 pm
by Valdemar
TomT wrote:Frankly, it seems like a reasonable change...
freeewilly wrote:Starting October 2015, SCE is changing the minimum delivery charge from previous minimum of $2 per month to $10, this hurt Net Energy Metering customers (people with Solar).
Reasonable as in it's more reasonable than $20 a month? Did they have to pick the CPUC's maximum and not say $5/mo? Are you with SCE, Tom?

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:22 am
by TomT
Reasonable in that a solar costumer is using the grid as a battery and there needs to be a cost associated with this to support that infrastructure. $10 seems fair... I'm a LADWP customer.
Valdemar wrote:Reasonable as in it's more reasonable than $20 a month? Did they have to pick the CPUC's maximum and not say $5/mo? Are you with SCE, Tom?

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:25 am
by knightmb
freeewilly wrote:Starting October 2015, SCE is changing the minimum delivery charge from previous minimum of $2 per month to $10, this hurt Net Energy Metering customers (people with Solar).

Our energy charge remain the same, but at no time it can applied towards to non-energy related charges.

https://www.sce.com/wps/wcm/myconnect/d ... OD=AJPERES
I only wish it were that cheap here, minimum is $24 delivery charge.

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:49 am
by RegGuheert
TomT wrote:Frankly, it seems like a reasonable change...
Agreed.

My utility has a $10.00/month connection charge that all ratepayers pay, regardless of how they use the network. I have to believe I'm getting a great deal since I have been able to "store" 3 MWh in the grid this summer that I will be able to use 100% of this winter. There is no technology available which can offer that much storage for such a nominal fee. Existing solutions likely cost 100x as much and cannot return more than about 90% of the energy that was originally produced.

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:14 pm
by freeewilly
$10 doesn't seem a lot, but it's 500% increase of my monthly electricity bill. Instead of paying $240 for next 10 years, I have to pay $1200.

Is it fair to pay $10 to maintain the grid? Yes, it's fair. But I still want to bitch about it. :x

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:58 pm
by Valdemar
freeewilly wrote:$10 doesn't seem a lot, but it's 500% increase of my monthly electricity bill. Instead of paying $240 for next 10 years, I have to pay $1200.
Oh no, you'll pay much more, they will surely find ways to screw solar customers further over the next 10 years.

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:30 pm
by Randy
Valdemar wrote:
freeewilly wrote:$10 doesn't seem a lot, but it's 500% increase of my monthly electricity bill. Instead of paying $240 for next 10 years, I have to pay $1200.
Oh no, you'll pay much more, they will surely find ways to screw solar customers further over the next 10 years.
Here's what the real issue is as I see it: Future PV Subsidies

In California, the current Net Energy Metering scheme was approved by the CPUC many years ago to help subsidize and grow solar in the state, up to a specified cap for each utility. We are nearing those limits, probably mid next year (approximately).

The early group of solar PV adopters received state incentives, federal tax credits, full retail price for overgeneration, and free use of the grid as a battery. So other federal taxpayers and utility ratepayers have contributed to the solar PV systems that we have in the State, and it has been successful (lots of systems installed).

Now the State, the utilities, and interested parties are now working together to try and figure out what the next steps will be for "NEM 2.0". In general terms, the solar providers seem to want to have the "NEM 1.0" benefits continue, because that makes it easier to sell their systems and show higher cost benefits to potential customers. The utilities are claiming that it costs additional money to serve solar customers and since they aren't currently paying most of this cost, other ratepayers are subsidizing it...And, of course, solar PV systems are getting cheaper and have come down in price considerably from when NEM 1.0 was started...

It's all about subsidies and whether they should continue or be cut back a little bit....

Re: SCE Minimum Bill Charge from $2 to $10

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:47 pm
by Valdemar
I don't see how solar can exist if the NEM 2.0 is accepted as it is being proposed by the utility companies today and the fed tax credit reduced/removed. I don't think there will be many takers on new solar installs with 15-20 year payback period. And after the rate reform is implemented solar leases will be a difficult sell as well.