Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

I consume more electricity than I produce.
No votes
0
I produce more electricity than I consume.
25%
1
It's pretty close - let's call it a net-zero.
75%
3
 
Total votes: 4
leafetarian
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:42 pm

I agree with you. Passive heating / cooling is the best option. But, heat pump is very highly efficient option if active heating is unavoidable.

Phoenix
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:24 am

leafetarian wrote:
Question:
For the net producers, does your utility send you a check? Specifically, I want to know what it might take to make PG&E in CA to pay net solar producers? It sounds no brainer to me as they have no problem paying polluting coal / gas power plants and nuclear power plants. Why not pay families producing excess solar electricity?
I was told by PG&E that they pay only 4 cents a kWh and you have to be a net producer. Cost-wise because of time of use, my bills showed a credit of $300, but since my kilowatt usage was a positive instead of a negative figure, I don't get a check for $300. Next year, EVs can charge free at my house if it looks like I have a monetary credit. (BTW, we should start such a network of solar PV in the SF Bay Area. Perhaps to especially welcome apartment/condo dwellers who need charging.)

From a policy standpoint, PG&E does NOT encourage energy efficiency which its Pacific Energy Center espouses.

leafetarian
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:33 am

Sorry, a little confused from reading your reply. So, if you are a net producer, do they give you a credit to carry forward to next year (as you said next year EVs can charge for free at your house) or at the end of the year they will cut you a check for your excess production (minus consumption) at the rate of 4 cents / kwh?

Yes, something should be done to help condo / apartment dwellers.

leafetarian
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:37 am

By the way, where abouts in Alameda county are you? I might have to bring my LEAF to charge from your solar some time! :-) I live in Los Gatos and often have to make roundtrips around the bay (Los Gatos -> SF -> Oakland -> San Jose -> LG, etc.) and I can make these trips in a day with little bit of charging that is enough to reach home.

Whenever I tried to get solar companies to install solar for my roof, they tell me that because my usage is very low and my yard has lots of trees, solar won't make sense for me and they are not interested in working with me.

Phoenix
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:43 am

There is NO carry forward from year to year, whether in kilowatts produced or in monetary credits. The reason I have monetary credits is because PG&E pays us more during peak hour production than non-peak hours. Also, when I use electricity, I pay 30 cents during peak hours and 9 cents during nonpeak. That why I have a monetary credit, being careful to use electricity during non-peak hours. But overall in electron usage, I used 100 kilowatts more than I sent to the grid during the year. That's why I don't get paid the measly 4 cents per kilowatt hour (since I was a net consumer), nor do I get the $300 monetary credit (because I exercised energy efficient habits).

PM me and we can discuss.

leafetarian
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:55 am

Did you consider E9A rate? I am on E9A and it has similar 30c peak rate but at night when most of EV charging happens, rate is super low 4 cents / kwh.

Phoenix
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:08 am

Some of us are the fortunate? ones who were grandmothered in on the solar E7 rate which is no longer offered. New solar installers are offered the E8 rate. Besides just comparing the lower 4 cents versus 9 cents off peak rate, you must also compare the time of use for those rates. How many hours per day do you get that lower rate versus what you pay the rest of the day at peak hours, semi-peak and whether you are pushed over to a higher tier rate. Enough to give one a headache. Word is that PG&E is also phasing out E9 (albeit grandmothering those on it). Check out North Bay Electric Auto Assn.'s website (nbeaa.org) next meeting on July 14th (go to newsletter, and scroll down).

Phoenix
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:11 am

leafetarian wrote:Did you consider E9A rate? I am on E9A and it has similar 30c peak rate but at night when most of EV charging happens, rate is super low 4 cents / kwh.
This would only increase my net monetary credit for which I already get no reimbursement from PG&E.

QueenBee
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:58 pm

leafetarian wrote:Whenever I tried to get solar companies to install solar for my roof, they tell me that because my usage is very low and my yard has lots of trees, solar won't make sense for me and they are not interested in working with me.
Have any of them give you a solar report? What's your southern exposure look like? Seems to me it would take some serious shading for it to not make sense.

leafetarian
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Re: Are you a net producer or consumer of electricity?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:26 pm

No, they haven't given me any solar report. Usually, whenever I call up a solar company they take my address and look up in satelite view / maps and then they tell me several trees are blocking southern exposure. Then they tell me that unless I cut down the trees it won't make sense. But, I have several old trees and don't like to cut down trees.

Generally, based on what they see on internet, they don't feel it is worth their time to come to my home and check on my roof.

Another thing they tell me is that my PG&E bill is too low to make solar financially viable. My usage is between 320 kwh - 450 kwh per month (not more than 500 kwh). Is that also a problem?
I am OK with longer solar payoff if somebody can work with my roof shading issues.

Can you recommend any solar companies that will give me solar report?

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